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sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 months agoFirst, Dworkin has never said that and did not think that.
Second, she died almost twenty years ago my dude. Intercourse was published in '87 during the second wave of feminism. Why are you misquoting her as an example of current mainstream discourse? And even if we’re going to be talking about feminist views of the 80’s, you’re conveniently ignoring sex-positive feminism. The sex wars were like, the defining feminist debate of that era.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
She did in fact say that and your link doesn’t refute that. And sex positive feminism is not sex positive for men. As I’ve said many times before I’m talking about mainstream feminist discourse. Feminist always use this tactic of digging up some progressive strain of feminism knowing full well it’s not influential.
Dworkin may have died awhile ago but her work is still regularly cites and studies by mainstream feminism and her influence can be seen in movies like the Barbie movie.
sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Come now. She very clearly denies saying it in the interview I linked to:
If you want to claim she’s lying about her own statements, find me a direct quote of her saying it.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
She did say it’s degrading and a form of contempt inflicting by men on women. In the context of the books it’s not at all unreasonable to interpret it as rape.
Regardless it DOES posit male sexuality and violence and degragation of women when it is expressesed.
Regardless that’s her influence even if unintentional and it’s all over media and culture.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 months ago
www.nostatusquo.com/…/MoorcockInterview.html
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
All she’s saying is that she meant maritial sex is a form of violence because maritial rape was legal, which wasn’t even true.
It’s a distinction without a difference.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 months ago
She’s saying women cannot legally consent to sex in marriage when marital rape is legal. She wasn’t saying that all sex was violent, she was saying it was all not the “free act of a free woman” because wives were property of their husbands and could be legally raped even if they denied sexual consent.
Also, marital rape was fully legal in the entirety of the US until the 1970s: en.wikipedia.org/…/Marital_rape_in_the_United_Sta…
You seem to have a pretty loose grasp on the issues here. I get that you didn’t like the Barbie movie, but that all that means is that you didn’t like the Barbie movie.