It’d be better if you accepted you broke that community’s rules and the mod was justified in removing your comment rather than complaining about it and putting them on blast so publicly
Hmmm. I feel like you may be a bit harsh here. I agree that the mod is free to do what they want, and generally don’t think community diversity is bad (though I lean on some form of consolidation around this kind of community, or at least better organisation).
But for a nascent and small platform like the fediverse, talking about how we organise ourselves is almost always a fair topic of conversation IMO, for the simple reason that self-organisation is exactly what the fediverse is about, how it was made and how it will thrive.
And was it really against the rules? “Self promotion”? The suggestion was for a merger with a community where I’m not sure Blaze had anything personal to gain. So not promotion or for themselves?
I can’t shake the feeling that this is all very Reddit thinking, that makes more sense at their scale and with the more rabid behaviour and territorialism you’d get there. There, shutting down conversations like this makes sense as an immune response against potentially toxic bad faith actors. Plus, the number of users there is such that community building is easier.
But here? That might be an auto-immune disorder. People take ownership on the fediverse and have the opportunity to think about how things should be and even make that happen (beyond just starting a new community that is). Letting that all play out in conversations seems fundamental, and removing comments or banning users for trying to have organisational conversations may just be anti-fediverse as much as it might seem like reasonable community moderation, at least if we’re still doing things the Reddit way.
Ideally, perhaps, there’d be a good meta-community community for people to talk about these things without moderation concerns being triggered.
I had a few discussions via DM with the main mod in the past, all went well as you can see above.
Also, he didn’t add the reason of his removal as “self promotion”, but as “Not currently considering this action”. He didn’t even mention breaking any rule.
putting them on blast so publicly
I would have rather preferred having discussed that over DMs, but he never replied to my first.
Also, aren’t modlogs public for a reason, to keep moderators accountable for their decisions?
Your effort to conglomerate all communities under your banner is basically the antithesis of the federated model, and even if it was not considered self promotion, I can see clearly why it was considered overtly hostile and removed.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It’s just centralization of power.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It’s just centralization of power.
So we should just let LW moderators be powermods instead? Who centralizes power, a few mods in this community, or LW who conglomerate the very large majority of active communities under their banner? lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
protist@mander.xyz 5 months ago
It’d be better if you accepted you broke that community’s rules and the mod was justified in removing your comment rather than complaining about it and putting them on blast so publicly
maegul@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Hmmm. I feel like you may be a bit harsh here. I agree that the mod is free to do what they want, and generally don’t think community diversity is bad (though I lean on some form of consolidation around this kind of community, or at least better organisation).
But for a nascent and small platform like the fediverse, talking about how we organise ourselves is almost always a fair topic of conversation IMO, for the simple reason that self-organisation is exactly what the fediverse is about, how it was made and how it will thrive.
And was it really against the rules? “Self promotion”? The suggestion was for a merger with a community where I’m not sure Blaze had anything personal to gain. So not promotion or for themselves?
I can’t shake the feeling that this is all very Reddit thinking, that makes more sense at their scale and with the more rabid behaviour and territorialism you’d get there. There, shutting down conversations like this makes sense as an immune response against potentially toxic bad faith actors. Plus, the number of users there is such that community building is easier.
But here? That might be an auto-immune disorder. People take ownership on the fediverse and have the opportunity to think about how things should be and even make that happen (beyond just starting a new community that is). Letting that all play out in conversations seems fundamental, and removing comments or banning users for trying to have organisational conversations may just be anti-fediverse as much as it might seem like reasonable community moderation, at least if we’re still doing things the Reddit way.
Ideally, perhaps, there’d be a good meta-community community for people to talk about these things without moderation concerns being triggered.
Blaze@reddthat.com 5 months ago
I wanted to stop there but if you want to give it another go, sure.
First of all, there has been “self promotion” about this community on !movies@lemmy.world in the past:
I had a few discussions via DM with the main mod in the past, all went well as you can see above.
Also, he didn’t add the reason of his removal as “self promotion”, but as “Not currently considering this action”. He didn’t even mention breaking any rule.
I would have rather preferred having discussed that over DMs, but he never replied to my first.
Also, aren’t modlogs public for a reason, to keep moderators accountable for their decisions?
canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Your effort to conglomerate all communities under your banner is basically the antithesis of the federated model, and even if it was not considered self promotion, I can see clearly why it was considered overtly hostile and removed.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It’s just centralization of power.
Blaze@reddthat.com 5 months ago
So we should just let LW moderators be powermods instead? Who centralizes power, a few mods in this community, or LW who conglomerate the very large majority of active communities under their banner? lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active