[Meta] !movies@lemmy.world mod removing comment suggesting consolidation of that community with this one as their moderation community is spread too thin, thankfully modlog is public

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Blaze@reddthat.com⁩ to ⁨movies@lemm.ee⁩

Link to the modlog: reddthat.com/modlog/11298

My comment

Should we maybe consider merging this one with !movies@lemm.ee ? We have regular pinned posts and movie-specific discussion threads over there, and that community has been more active than this one lately, be it weekly or monthly (1.54k vs 1.32k and 2.92k vs 2.51k). The moderation team has several people, including movie enthusiasts who post there regularly. We had our first AMA a while ago a few weeks ago: lemm.ee/post/31335226 And if people ask why we wanted to have a community on another instance than Lemmy.world, the large majority of active communities are already on LW (lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active), it seems better to spread communities a bit.

Reason for removal

Not currently considering this action Maybe in the future.

I guess I’m just a bit sad that they removed the comment altogether instead of letting it there and considering a discussion.

I’ve heard several times that Lemmy should consolidate communities (like what happened with !mapporn@lemmy.world and !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz recently), but I guess it’s easier said than done.

In the meantime, congrats for making this community the most active one!

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protist@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your intentions here may be positive, but you’re basically asking them to shut down their community and posting an ad for your community on theirs to take their traffic. I can see why they removed it and don’t see any problem with that. Send them a DM next time

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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hello,
  
  I sent a DM first. The mod didn’t reply to me but opened this thread.
  
  but you’re basically asking them to shut down their community and posting an ad for your community on theirs to take their traffic.
  
  Yes, that worked just before with the mod of !mapporn@lemmy.world (send them a DM, they agreed and locked the community).
  
  As I said, it’s their choice, I agree to disagree, but they could have left the comment instead of removing it.
  
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  - protist@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They have no obligation to leave up your comment which is actively trying to redirect their traffic to your community. I don’t get why you think removing it was a problem
    
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  - maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I sent a DM first. The mod didn’t reply to me but opened this thread.
    
    Awkwardly enough, I’m wondering if sometimes a DM doesn’t federate? I feel like I’ve had DMs get ignored, but am wondering now if it was a federation issue.
    
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imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your suggestion makes sense to me. But there is also nothing wrong with them wanting to keep running their own community. It’s just something that has to work itself out over time I guess.

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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  But there is also nothing wrong with them wanting to keep running their own community.
  
  Fragmentation of discussion when the people commenting aren’t that many in the first place. That’s the main issue for me, and that’s why I’ve been trying to push for consolidation of communities
  
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  - imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I agree. But they can still ultimately do what they want, and that’s a good thing. Just keep working on building an active and welcoming community and things will turn out fine.
    
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neme@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think it’s good that there are a few communities for the same thing, so that people have options if there’s deferedation drama in the future.

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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hello,
  
  It is indeed good that there are a few communities on the same topic.
  
  At the moment, we have (sorted by weekly activity: lemmyverse.net/communities?query=movies&order=act…)
  
  !movies@lemm.ee
  
  !movies@lemmy.world
  
  !movies@hexbear.net
  
  !moviesandtv@lemm.ee
  
  !entertainment@beehaw.org
  
  honorable mention for !movies@kbin.social but kbin.social is down now
  
  The hexbear and beehaw communities are a good example of what you mentioned.
  
  On the other hand, do we really need the !movies@lemm.ee, !movies@lemmy.world, and !moviesandtv@lemm.ee, on instances that are all federated with each other, and leading to a fragmentation of discussions across three places?
  
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  - neme@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t see the current situation with the communities as being too bad for now. I see it more as a problem that most of the users are registered on one big instance like lemmy.world, because here the users are the ones who produce the content and not the platforms. So if lemmy.world is down then it is immediately more noticeable in comment/posting activity compared to if only its communities were down.
    
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- maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yea generally I agree, you kinda need the options to exist before things go to shit.
  
  But when it comes to communities it’s pretty easy to create new ones and advertise them whenever something goes bad. That’s basically what happened with this one after lemmy.film went down. And plenty seem to find the community fragmentation annoying, or at least used to say so. I’m not sure where the balance sits, but at least talking about the possibility of trying to organise better probably makes sense.
  
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otter@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

In the meantime, congrats for making this community the most active one!

I like this one 😊 Nice work on getting it going

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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you, and happy Lemmyversary! 😄
  
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  - otter@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you :)))
    
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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  It’s totally fine to not want to merge, but responding in the thread would be better
  
  Definitely!
  
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StreetKid@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why not close this one and merge to LW?

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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This community has been created to avoid overcentralization of Lemmy.world.
  
  Also, if the LW community was actively managed I wouldn’t mind (I regularly post to !avatar@lemmy.world, !lego@lemmy.world, !comicbooks@lemmy.world which are on LW), but they still don’t have
  
  discussion threads
  
  weekly threads
  
  Consolidation of communities is an issue that is regularly brought up on Lemmy, so that’s what this whole suggestion was trying to address.
  
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  - StreetKid@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s fair. So no one wants to close their community, let’s just move on then.
    
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Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
As I’ve said before, I don’t have an issue with there being more than one community per subject - it comes down to survival of the fittest and successful communities will tend to gain the focus.

There will likely always be a l.w community for any major topic even if others are thriving elsewhere. Movies in particular is a big enough subject that this is inevitable and, currently, no individual community is covering all movie news, so it is handy to have a couple to subscribe to in order to get a more comprehensive feed.

Some have their own niche, like: !movies@hexbear.net which is mainly memes.

Communities that should be shuttered:

!movies@lemmy.blahaj.zone

!movies@monyet.cc

!movies@chirp.social

!movies@videolovers.site
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- UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You’re a mod here too!? Are you stalking me? 🤣
  
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  - Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, you are stalking me!
    
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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hello,
  
  Thanks for chiming in, I’ll post in those communities to see if they are still active.
  
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  - Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s not just the community activity, but the Mod’s. For the first three that is 12 months, 10 months and no Mod (also no posts). The last has three More, 2 have been gone 6 months, and the other 1 month.
    
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maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I’ve heard several times that Lemmy should consolidate communities (like what happened with !mapporn@lemmy.world and !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz recently), but I guess it’s easier said than done.

Yea. It’s tricky and frustrating. The community fragmentation is more than what makes sense here given the user size, which only adds to the confusion of the platform. And yet people like to hold on to the communities they mod/own and many happily route around all of that by just using All as their main feed.

All that being said, this is at least better than the treatment you (and I, sorta, afterward) got from the other place, being banned and all. And it is an understandably touchy topic, so at least they said “maybe in the future”. It’s just be nice if more were actively interested in trying to make the overall platform better (which sometimes involves more different but overlapping communities, just not all there time).

Still, you’ve done well with this one!

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