I wonder what “a lot” means for you
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VeryImportantUser@lemmy.world 2 years ago
There was a lot of black people in medevial europe. But conservatives are trying to erase history while claiming that it’s “the left” who is changing it.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 years ago
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 years ago
Would a pretty large portion of Spain count for you?
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Not for most part of Europe, no.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 years ago
You don’t believe Spain is part of Europe, or you’re insisting that their comment must mean something beyond it literally said?
Because their comment was ultimately just about the fact that there was more than enough contact between Africa and Europe for random black people to be Arthurian knights or whatever. And that’s just a fact.
This might really grind your gears: There were even black Vikings.
There’s evidence of Viking slave raids and reading expeditions in the Mediterranean, specifically on the North African and Southern Spanish coasts, not to mention all the contact they had with Byzantium.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Not in medieval England, or other Northern European countries. They existed but they very much stood out. And most fantasy settings tend to be northern European.
It would be fucking cool to see a medieval Spanish style fantasy setting though.
VeryImportantUser@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Not in medieval England, or other Northern European countries.
Objectively false.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Please define “a lot”, for the claim that in Northern Europe or England there was a lot of black people.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Also, people from the Mediterranean routinely traveled to Africa, and vice versa. It wasn’t all the time but it was common. It’s like traveling between the US and Latin America. They’re different areas of the world but so close that mixing is impossible to avoid. Sicily has a measurable amount of African heritage.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Before the Caliphates happened and christendom responded by creating the north south division, it was entirely unreasonable to view any part of the Mediterranean as distinct from the greater cultural whole aside from specifics about who specifically was living where at what time.
In fact Islamic empires regularly had an irredentist idea about their right to dominate the Mediterranean granted by being the true inheritors of the Roman Empire (especially after they took Istanbul)
Even in that time of division though, the typical Venetian had far more in common with the Typical Tunisian than they did with the typical Dane. Could even be part of how the “Protestant World” ended up looking so similar to a map of “the parts of Europe that were the least integrated into the Mediterranean core of Catholicism’s historical forming grounds and institutions”
grandkaiser@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The comparison to modern travel is a bit off though… The vast, VAST, majority of humanity would never travel further than a few villages over in their entire lifetime. The ‘mixing’ of cultures isn’t nearly as pronounced as you’re suggesting. Consider that even medieval “France” was made up of over 6 distinct cultures with often different languages.