Comment on Even the fish are turning soy 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 I couldn't even edge my skibdi to this one

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• tabris@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s not. Plant estrogens have a similar structure to human estrogen, but do not work the same in the human body. You can tell this is true because otherwise trans women would be downing soy milk like there was no tomorrow.

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  • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You know what is pack full of estrogen-estrogen? Cow milk and other dairy produt.

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  • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Isn’t estradiol made from yams? Like you can’t just eat plants for their hormones even if you physically could eat enough the hormones still need processed to be noticably effective on humans

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    • huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not extracted as-is from yams. Yams have diosgenin - which needs to be extracted, cleaned and then put through a few chemical processes to be useful.

      Plants are viable sources of precursors not of the end result, and many of these precursors aren’t useful in biological processes.

      Scientific studies have not shown Men to have substantial estrogen level changes from drinking soy.

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      • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s why I mentioned it needs processed. Didn’t know the word precursors but yeah we’re talking the same thing

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    • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So is testosterone, in terms of its chemical precursor.

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• InfiniWheel@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  IIRC beer has more estrogen than soy.

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• ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 is soy milk estrogen comfirme 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

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• volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s been a while since I graduated but I think it was something like that: there is a molecule in soy that can be metabolized and then binds to estrogen receptors. However, there are two different receptors that, when activated, will have different signaling cascades and effects. That soy molecule binds to one of them. But only about 50% of people (I think the study was done in menopausal women) metabolize that molecule to the active, estrogen-receptor binding molecule. The others don’t and soy has absolutely no effect on them. For those who do metabolize it, it can have an effect on some estrogen-regulated pathways, but it is not “estrogen” and cannot substitute it.

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