Comment on Anon figures out how dieting works

• sushibowl@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not quite the same result, exercise has a whole host of health benefits aside from just the weight loss.

  On the other hand, for most people, given a calorie deficit target, it is often much, much easier to eat less than burn more.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From a weight and calories perspective only the result is the same.

    Also, dieticians would disagree with you and that’s the reason why they put much more emphasis on starting with healthy life habits first and foremost instead of reducing calories, long term one sticks the other doesn’t because it’s the difference between making your life better vs making yourself miserable.

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• 13esq@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Whilst what you’re saying is true, it’s important to recognise that you can’t out run a terrible diet.

  You could eat well all week and run ten miles a day and then completely ruin it by eating and drinking 20,000 calories at the weekend.

  To put it simply, it doesn’t matter if you burn an amazing 5000 calories a day if you’re consuming 5500 calories.

  95% of losing weight is simply eating less, there’s absolutely no need to complicate it by telling people they must radically change their diet or that they need to dedicate themselves to regimented exercise.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In this case you’re not eating the same as you were before so it doesn’t apply to what I’m saying.

    If you are eating the same as before and your weight was stable then and you add exercise to the mix then you’re going to lose weight, there’s no magic to it, it’s mathematics. If you were going to “cheat” like I’m your example then without exercise you would have gained weight so you still effectively lost weight by exercising.

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    • 13esq@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s true and I wasn’t trying to refute that point.

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• undergroundoverground@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The evidence linking excersise alone with weight loss is sketchy at best and rarely is there any significant difference between combined diet and excerise groups and diet-alone groups. Excersise alone rarely, if ever, shows any significant difference in weight loss.

  www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/

  Theres a reason people say “you can’t out run a bad diet” and there’s a reason its called “cardiovascular” and not “weight loss” excersise.

  The idea that you could out run a bad diet was pushed by food lobby groups who wanted people to eat more than they need to, under the pretence that they can excersise it off later.

  We evolved as persistence hunters. As such, the pathway for excersise induced fat burning is greatly inhibited, so as to not be able to run yourself to death trying to get food.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Reading it they make it clear that it’s because people end up eating more than they did before which isn’t what I’m talking about.

    By your logic there’s no reason why athletes need to eat so much, their caloric needs should pretty much stay the same, as if they didn’t exercise.

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    • undergroundoverground@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You managed to pick out the one study, amongst all those that disagree with you, that you think proves you point while simultaneously ignoring the literature reviews conclusions. I’m not sure what to say to something so far beyond confirmation bias.

      Its not MY logic. Its the logic of the lack of evidence agreeing with your premise. Its the logic of looking at our metabolic pathways and our evolution, instead of that of food lobby groups.

      Even then, you’re thinking about the release of glycogen and not fat burning/weight loss. Thats why athletes carb load, instead of keeping extra fat on them to burn off while competing. Its why people with fat on them stop due to exhaustion, despite having lots of energy they can use all over their body. Its why people have to go through so much to induce ketosis. Its why even professional marathon runners eat healthily and not too much.

      Our fat reserves are for keeping us alive in an emergency, not a source of additional energy to dip into when we need it. I mean, I wouldn’t go on about logic when you’re here arguing for the idea of a species of persistence hunters who evolved to be able to run themselves to death easily.

      Like most people, you wildly over estimate how many calories are burned by cardio vascular excersise, above bass rate metabolism.

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      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        80 to 140 calories per mile when jogging, even at the lower end it means that if you jog 6 miles you have your 500 calories deficit as long as you don’t eat more than you would have otherwise.

        It’s. Not. Magic. If you needed 2500 calories to stay at the same weight then increasing your caloric needs to 3000 is the same as reducing your intake to 2000.

        It’s about consistency, just like cutting calories, you can cut all week and fuck it all up by eating a cake on the weekend that you wouldn’t have if you weren’t on a diet.

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