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corroded@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

People do this because they’re crackheads (or heroin addicts, or methheads, you get the idea). It’s not a poverty issue, it’s a drug issue. The person working a minimum wage job and sharing a studio apartment isn’t going to dispose of their old bicycle in the river. The person who steals a bike and realizes they can’t sell it to get their next fix probably isn’t going to have a problem dumping it in a lake or river. They’re already leaving needles on the playground, shitting on the sidewalk, and assaulting innocent people for not giving them a cigarette. Do you really think they give a damn about the environmental impact of dumping their stolen goods in a waterway?

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spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Misinformation, you are lying.

Many factors contribute to higher illegal disposal rates. As stated by many researchers, the most common reason is poor waste management infrastructure, such as waste collection facilities and transportation [6,7,8]. Therefore, providing infrastructure may be a solution to reduce these business-as-usual (BAU) practices [9]. However, Sedova et al. found that illegal dumping behavior is also influenced by other factors such as education level, awareness, dumping cost, and income level [10]. Dumping costs are related to low-income communities. Communities tend to participate in illegal dumping practices rather than pay a certain amount of money [8]. source

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- sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I mean, I believe those studies, but I’ve also been homeless, been through shelters and camps and have known people who would just toss their broken shit into the woods or a river, whether it legitimately be theirs, or if they stole it.
  
  Obviously not all homeless people do this, but some of them do.
  
  This kind of stuff is usually the most visible to your average joe… so its not accurate to say it does not happen.
  
  But at the same time, its likely that at a more grand societal level, those studies are fairly accurate.
  
  I would be interested if the methodologies of those studies even took into account the homeless population.
  
  Homeless people are kind of notoriously difficult to study or survey, as they are often migratory, have no… you know, permanent residence, and often do not want to be bothered.
  
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  - spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You may be misreading something? We are definitely in agreement but you frame it as though we are not.
    
    The person I responded to said “It’s not a poverty issue, it’s a drug issue.” I made the comment to combat that ridiculous Reagan-era bs.
    
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- Drusas@kbin.run ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Being wrong is not the same as lying.
  
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sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
A person working min wage and sharing a studio is actually highly likely to engage in illegal dumping. Ive known many people in my life who’ve done so because theyre too broke to afford a visit to the dump, both in monetary and wasted time terms.

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