The specific point of divergence was shown in Star Trek 2009, otherwise it’s a real reboot and offside the television franchise.
billmason@mastodon.social 4 months ago
Or they're just throwing the "Kelvin had a specific point of divergence" concept out. @startrek
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 months ago
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 months ago
I never pass up on an opportunity to share Simon Pegg’s thoughts on the matter - he wrote one of the films, so I think his opinion should carry some weight:
Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?).
This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, this was his dream, that is our dream, it should be everybody’s.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 months ago
Ok, I can buy that, but it means that it created a true parallel universe and not a branch in the Prime timeline.
This could be viewed as consistent with the Kelvin universe 24th century officer not being able to survive in the 32nd century Prime Universe.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 months ago
Yeah, my simplified headcanon explanation is that the Kelvin universe was always there, and Spock and Nero happened to tunnel into it.
If you want to add the wrinkle that the red matter implosion somehow created it (which the original film seems to suggest)…well, it’s more complicated, but it works, too.
billmason@mastodon.social 4 months ago
@StillPaisleyCat I can't decide how to feel about it. I don't have much interest in a full-blown reboot. Nor am I much interested in seeing how this film might crap all over ENT. I guess we'll see. Or maybe we won't, considering Paramount's track record of late with getting Trek films off the ground. @startrek
billmason@mastodon.social 4 months ago
"It is said to involve the creation of the Starfleet and humankind’s first contact with alien life."
If that's really what it is, for all I care just establish that Kelvin is an entire alternative universe and not an alternate timeline instead of annoying me by seeing how they frak around with the canon Star Trek: Enterprise already established.
#StarTrek #StarTrekEnterprise @startrek
roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh yes all that valuable canon of, "oh actually they met the Borg earlier and nobody recorded it. And “oh actually they met the ferengi earlier and nobody recorded it.”