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- Comment on See The USS Athena Battle [SPOILERS] In Trailer For ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ Episode 4 1 day ago:
Hopefully this episode will satisfy the “what happened to the Klingons?!!” questions lingering from Discovery.
…And perhaps kickoff a new narrative with Jay-Den as Heart of Glory did for Worf in TNG season one.
- Comment on 35 Years Ago, Star Trek Retroactively Created New Canon, And No One Noticed 1 day ago:
That’s a point.
Although in the case of the introduction of the Cardassians, there were significant contradictions vs the geopolitical situation of the Federation as presented repeatedly in the earlier seasons of TNG.
In relation to fan outrage though, even modest ‘filling in gaps’ — or ‘dancing between the raindrops’ as the EPs of SNW call it, is frequently met with with complaint that “no one has ever mentioned that before.”
- Comment on 35 Years Ago, Star Trek Retroactively Created New Canon, And No One Noticed 1 day ago:
Well, I can see your point.
I also was always supportive of WW III being pushed back by a half century.
But you can’t argue that there haven’t been major retcons.
- Comment on 35 Years Ago, Star Trek Retroactively Created New Canon, And No One Noticed 1 day ago:
Oh, it definitely did contradict established continuity — certainly more than Spock having had a foster sister or Khan descendants that we hadn’t heard of previously.
TNG initially presented a stable and peaceful utopian civilization. Picard and his officers spoke repeatedly about this in the early seasons.
There were long term stable borders with the Romulans, established relations with the Klingons but no major armed conflicts in the lifetimes of the senior officers.
‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ was given as the exemplary lesson on how the alternative, more violent, alternative history would have played out but even that was quite far back, with the Enterprise-C.
The Ferengi were in early TNG a new and mysterious alien group on the borders.
The Borg was the most disruptive threat in generations, one that required new technology and new more military forward leadership approaches.
And then suddenly it turns out there has been a major ongoing border conflict with Cardassia, marginalized refugees from occupied planets living in camps bordering Federation utopia, and Starfleet has had its serving crew in armed conflicts.
How can you sincerely argue that isn’t a ‘major change?’
- Comment on 35 Years Ago, Star Trek Retroactively Created New Canon, And No One Noticed 1 day ago:
It’s interesting though.
We get the perception in early TNG that it’s been a long stable period of peace, exploration and expansion that’s suddenly disrupted by the Borg.
Then, we find that there have been significant ongoing regional conflicts with the Cardassians, some in Starfleet service have seen combat and torture, and that there have been marginalized refugees that have been marginalized and largely forgotten the Utopian Federation worlds.
BUT we accepted at the time as an audience.
In fact, unlike many of the elements of TNG that were outraging TOS fans in 1987-1989, there was nary a murmur about this at the conventions or on the BBS about the introduction of the Cardassians and Bajorans or the significant retcons.
As someone who was around for the TOS fan backlash in the early years of TNG, I don’t think that this has anything at all to do with the cumulative weight of lore or lack thereof.
My thought rather is that a show at the height of its popularity can get away with a great deal in terms of retcons and rewriting its own canon/lore.
A new show that does that takes a larger risk and is more likely to attract backlash.
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- Comment on Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x03 "Vitus Reflux" 3 days ago:
I was listening to the video and thought I heard “fighting” but that could have just been my misunderstanding.
- Comment on Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x03 "Vitus Reflux" 3 days ago:
I get the discomfort about speculation.
It definitely sounds like there’s been ‘stuff’ behind the scenes already. Not chaos on the Bridge or Disco season one and two level, but definitely frictions.
(The actor who plays Genesis recently slipped when asked about Jonathan Frakes, that he’d been originally scheduled to direct her character’s second season feature episode but there had been “fighting going on” and Frakes was pushed back to directing a later episode!)
If the backdoor pilot episode in Disco season four didn’t work the way they’d hoped, it would be unfortunate if the characters and their actors have paid the price for the ‘notes’ from the senior executives.
However, as we saw with Number One in ‘The Cage’ if the the television franchise head thinks it’s worthwhile to bring back a character or an actor, one or both will happen eventually.
- Comment on Preview Episode 4 Of ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ With 12 New Images From “Vox in Excelso” 3 days ago:
My bet is firmly on Tribbles.
Jay-Den seems to be wearing some kind of House heirloom.
Are the Klingons finally in a position to eradicate Tribbles.
Is the honour of Jay-Den’s family somehow involved. Did one of his ancestors create the genetically engineered tribble predator called the glommer.
And as a TAS fan I want to know if we’ll finally see a live action glommer!
- Comment on Nazis Have the Dumbest Star Trek Opinions | Jessie Gender 3 days ago:
Not on this subject.
- Comment on Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x03 "Vitus Reflux" 3 days ago:
If we assume that season one of SFA is taking place at the same time as Discovery season two, then we might expect Tilly to join as a more frequent recurring character in future seasons.
My read of the situation is that the original backdoor trailer did SFA that was in Discovery season four was very much not viewed as a success by Paramount executives — to the point that the central roles for Adira and Tilly in the ensemble were written out and rethought entirely.
- Comment on Nazis Have the Dumbest Star Trek Opinions | Jessie Gender 3 days ago:
I am confident that their are overseas bot accounts intervening to magnify cultural and political conflicts in entertainment spaces.
- Comment on Nazis Have the Dumbest Star Trek Opinions | Jessie Gender 4 days ago:
Are you seriously suggesting that IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes weren’t review bombed globally.
Any rating that has a distribution of 38% 1/10s has no credibility whatsoever, zilch.
And the alleged non US ratings aren’t vettable.
- Comment on Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x03 "Vitus Reflux" 5 days ago:
Or older.
My partner and I are old enough to feel comfortable laughing at our young adult selves.
- Comment on Preview Episode 3 Of ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ With 16 New Images From “Vitus Reflux” 1 week ago:
I really hope not. However, this generation of writers are firmly in the grip of ‘trauma is necessary for interesting characters’ and the Hero’s Journey Pop anthropological theory of the 1970s that took over film schools.
So sure, why wouldn’t everyone need to be traumatized by a Betazoid dying horribly?!! /s
- Comment on Preview Episode 3 Of ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ With 16 New Images From “Vitus Reflux” 1 week ago:
I have a feeling that Ocam Sadal (played by Canadian Romeo Carrere) could be an interesting third wheel in the dynamic between Daren and Caleb.
He’s such a contrast to his sister Tarima, and really gives off that Lwaxana Betazoid, says whatever he’s thinking because he knows what you’re thinking vibe.
I don’t see Brazilian-Canadian actor Rafa Virago as Pritchard in any of these publicity stills but it looks like there may be one or two new background regulars that we’ll be seeing.
- Comment on Is there a list of important/key episodes – but not just the good episodes? 1 week ago:
I would add Heart of Glory because it gives a crucial introduction to where the Klingons are as a society in the 24th century much as The Neutral Zone introduces the state of the relationship with the Romulans (and sets up the Borg threat).
- Comment on Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x01 "Kids These Days" & 1x02 "Beta Test" 1 week ago:
One could restyle it but if this cadet is from a low gravity world, they may prefer to get around as they can on their own in this environment.
- Comment on San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) | Rufus Wainwright Orchestral Recording 1 week ago:
Yes, this scans.
Indie-alternative is in there but not much recent mainstream American pop.
- Comment on San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) | Rufus Wainwright Orchestral Recording 1 week ago:
Are your siblings younger Millennials or GenZs.
They definitely have different ideas about music and sound tracks.
One of our GenZ kids likes a wide range of music, but most of it is from the 1960s to 1980s. But there’s a lot of KPop blasting in house too.
- Comment on San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) | Rufus Wainwright Orchestral Recording 1 week ago:
I think you’ve hit it right on the head!
I’ve been thinking that this is going to be precisely as divisive among fans as the syrupy, and very American-centric, cover of Faith of the Heart for Enterprise.
Fortunately, for those who weren’t enjoying that music choice, it won’t be the title music every episode.
The title music is boring but innocuous for our household at least.
- Comment on San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) | Rufus Wainwright Orchestral Recording 1 week ago:
I understand that many people are quite enthusiastic about the music.
I am truly bored by it. My parter and our oldest GenZ both replied, “What music?”when I asked them what I thought at the end of episode 2.
Is there some deep American Millennial music preference that this is tapping into that none of our household quite understands?
- Comment on Exclusive: ‘Starfleet Academy’ Showrunners Talk Easter Eggs, DS9 “Love Letter,” And Keeping Star Trek Alive 2 weeks ago:
It was mentioned in another interview that Tawny Newsome has the script credit for episode 5 and confirmed that it is SAM-focused.
- Comment on Alex Kurtzman On His Star Trek Future: “I’m Hopeful” 3 weeks ago:
Given the complete failure to produce and release anything for Star Trek in more than a decade on the cinematic side, I can’t think any reasonable senior executive would think now is the time to let Kurtzman go. All the more, the historic chaos in relaunching the television franchise in the early seasons of both TNG and Discovery have demonstrated that it’s just not possible to launch a new overall franchise runner without running major risks.
Kurtzman’s got a reputation as being good to work with from both the studio/streamer and creative side. They don’t have any evidence to show he won’t adjust to new strategic direction.
The question more will be how far will Kurtzman himself be willing to compromise if the Ellisons give high level direction that would take the franchise in a very different direction for television.
What I do see is that some of the perceived failures will definitely lead to restricted opportunities for some of the EPs that have worked for Kurtzman. For example, Osunsami may not be given run of a project again after the S31 movie. Michelle Paradise won’t likely be asked to run another show in the franchise.
- Comment on Tawny Newsome Gives Update On Live-Action Star Trek Comedy – “We’re Ready!” 3 weeks ago:
There’s a newer TrekMovie piece, just out this afternoon, that cites a new interview with Kurtzman in an industry journal.
It also notes that a large number of of new Paramount senior executives came out for yesterday’s premiere screening.
- Comment on Tawny Newsome Gives Update On Live-Action Star Trek Comedy – “We’re Ready!” 3 weeks ago:
I’m not sure that it’s entirely accurate that there’s no hints of a renewal for Kurtzman’s and Secret Hideout.
In the recent SFX magazine piece for Starfleet Academy, the Kurtzman quotes hinted vaguely at “Lots more Star Trek TV is in development”.
“There’s quite a few exciting things in the works right now, but I’m not going to say more than that!”
TrekMovie observes that, ‘The SFX article noted Kurtzman was “tight-lipped about future projects,” adding that the interview was done before the announcement that[ Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley are developing a new Star Trek film.’
Thinking back to the last 5-year extension, Kurtzman was asked to map out proposal for Star Trek’s television rollout for 5-7 years forward.
Clearly, he was given clearance by the new ownership to pitch stuff towards another extension. Whether there’s any uptake is to be seen.
I just keep coming back to the previous Paramount+ and streaming heads stripping the schedule back to the point that animation was being eliminated and the live action schedule was dominated by Taylor Sheridan.
Now the new owners have a large and prestigious animation studio and Sheridan refused to renew.
Meanwhile WB is fighting back against Skydance’s takeover effort to go with Netflix’s offer.
If I had to guess, Paramount+ will see more new Star Trek animation and live action as complementary to the darker whatever that the creators of Stranger Things will bring.
Kurtzman may get another but shorter extension until the movie franchise gets off the ground, but will be fenced to the 32nd century, animated shows, and shows from the 23rd and 24th century that won’t write new canon.
- Comment on Tawny Newsome Gives Update On Live-Action Star Trek Comedy – “We’re Ready!” 3 weeks ago:
This seems to be just one more thing in development that hinges on the decisions David Ellison will make about the next decade for the franchise, or at least the next five years.
Now that some of the new things that Ellison had been counting on to anchor Paramount+’s schedule (i.e. anything new from Taylor Sheridan) are complete nonstarters, perhaps there’s some room for some new Trek.
Also, the relationship between Kurtzman and David Ellison goes back to when Kurtzman was a writer and Ellison was a producer on Into Darkness. There’s no sense of negativity between them.
While Ellison hasn’t hesitated to finally cut the JJ Abrams movie contract that failed to meet deliverables, Kurtzman has delivered what CBS and Paramount wanted on television. There’s no reason to believe that they couldn’t come to a meeting of minds but there may be some of Secret Hideout’s long term EPs that might be let go in the process of a shift in direction.
- Comment on Starfleet Academy will broadcast on CTV Sci-fi Channel in Canada 3 weeks ago:
So, one of our GenZ kids has now watched the trailer a couple of times and asked some questions.
They’re not the Discovery fan among our teens, preferring animation generally. (They liked Lower Decks and Prodigy.). So, I had to fill in on the 32nd century.
They’re not entirely convinced about investing in a live action series but might watch the premiere.
Meanwhile, the one who was previously a Discovery fan has just come off a Picard and TNG watch and isn’t sounding interested. The marketing is not intriguing them the way Disco season 5 did.
All to say that I am not sure that Paramount really understands Zs or marketing to them at all.
- Comment on [Live] Star Trek: Starfleet Academy Red Carpet | Hosted by Celia Rose Gooding 3 weeks ago:
I found Paramount’s camera operator’s position on the ground looking up led to a lot of weird angles for the exchanges between Celia and the Starfleet Academy cast.
I also found the sound quality poor given it was their host and set up.
All of these issues made it a pain to watch.
Paramount continues to not run these events well.
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