Comment on Winner's Luck
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 months agoI’m asking a question politely, but to be sealioning I’d have to be disingenuous about it. This is a serious question. Explain the joke, please.
If you have a genuine answer I’m willing to hear it, but so far nobody has even tried.
suy@programming.dev 7 months ago
Two people go on a date. The date is going well, there is chemistry between the two people. One says “if you beat me at any game we can have sex”. The two people will typically play a board or card game, and will flirt with the opportunity of sex during the game play, which is gonna be fun and exciting. Seems a good plot idea for your average romantic comedy movie or teenager’s series.
Now the joke is that the choice of game is stupid because you end up killing your date. Just with that you could make a meme/joke. Now the post is doubling down on the stupidity, insanity, etc., by making it morbid and showing that the guy still had sex with the corpse.
Here it is. My take on the issue, which is unlikely to be the only possible explanation which is not “incel shit”. I’ve wasted 10 minutes of my time, and you’ll likely will still not agree with me, and will prove valid my first comment.
Cheers.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
So literally, “haha he killed her and raped the corpse” except you added a bunch of condescending overexplaining to it.
Like… you realise you sound like an asshole, right? That’s my point.
Also preemptively deciding that me disagreeing with you automatically makes you right because you predicted your explanation wouldn’t satisfy me is just A-tier bullshit.
jas0n@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Your point is that he sounds like an asshole? Because you badgered him for an explanation to a joke you obviously understood and he didn’t give it to you nice enough?
Preemptively deciding you won’t agree doesn’t make him right. He preemptively decided you wouldn’t be happy with his answer … and he was correct.
By the way, I thought it was funny. I sent it to my wife and she thought it was funny and sent it to her mom. (No one asked for an explanation).
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
I never said this joke wasn’t funny, I said it hates women. It made me laugh for a second, but then in the following two seconds I said, “oh, ew”. Hating women is just so normalised in our society that it gets a pass under the banner of “edgy humour”.
And the reason I wasn’t swayed by the explanation is because it was essentially the same as mine. None of it is new information. You admitted my explanation is correct when you acknowledged that I clearly understood the joke.
So yeah, like I suspected, I’m not missing something here that makes this joke less misogynistic. Noone is telling me my characterisation of “haha he killed her and raped the corpse” is wrong, because it obviously isn’t.
QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The core of the joke is that Russian roulette is a terrible game to play if you intend to do anything after it.
That’s not how you play Russian roulette, btw
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Not if you plan to rape the corpse, which this person apparently did. Sorry, that’s not an explanation, that’s a new joke. It was pretty good, by the way, but it’s not what I’m asking for.
And the way you “play” russian roulette is as a torture method with a prisoner. That’s where it comes from, and there is no established way to “play” unless you’re about to tell me you’re reading from the official rulebook of the International Russian Roulette Association. If you’re going to try to ground this thing in reality that doesn’t work because it was never grounded in reality.
Also, I’m not even saying this joke isn’t funny. It made me chuckle for a second, but if you think about it for like three seconds it treats the woman as a prop on so many levels. The woman in this story has no agency whatsoever, even when she’s offering sex in the setup it’s just a weird incel fantasy that would never happen.
suy@programming.dev 6 months ago
I predicted that I would waste my time by replying to you, and I predicted right.
I wanted to give it a chance, though, because Lemmy is a place that is friendly enough and that I want to thrive, despite how little I contribute. I tried to be constructive and explain things the best I could, and assume the best possible faith, etc. When you just say that I sound like an asshole, and completely act in bad faith in how russian roulette is supposed to be in the context of someone who says “you can beat me at any game”, now I feel the urge to try the block feature in Lemmy, sorry.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Your explanation didn’t significantly differ from mine, so it seems to me like I was right that you can’t explain this joke in a way that removes the misogyny inherent in it. That’s the point here. I made it clear that was the point, and I suspect you knew it was right. That would be another explanation for why you could predict that your explanation wouldn’t change my mind.
I’ve explained how I disagree and given specifics, and you’ve chosen to ignore them. That certainly is a waste of your time because when you do that, there’s nothing to learn. Only you can decide if you’re going to attempt to learn something with an exchange or waste it, that’s not my fault.
For myself I have learned some things here. I’ve refined the way I explain this point for one thing. If you want to understand that you coild read my replies or ask me, or you could just block me and leave this interaction as a waste of your time. It really is up to you.