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Comment on Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much

Having a fight over who is or isn’t allowed in left spaces instead of having the discussion about leftist policy is what got the left where it is in today’s political discussion.

Defining a movement by who’s not allowed in it leaves you without any ability to get anywhere legitimately.

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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There’s no fight.

A space for people opposed to capitalism isn’t gonna have people who are pro-capitalism.

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BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Liberals aren’t left though. They are a centrist position by their very definition.

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- PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Once again, a movement based on exclusion is never going to achieve legitimacy.
  
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  - immutable@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Based on your interpretation every group could simply be redefined into illegitimate.
    
    We are for democracy
    
    Oh so you think that monarchy is bad and you want to define yourself as excluding loyal subjects of the king! That will never be legitimate.
    
    Leftist think that democracy should extend into the economic realm as well and what we should do with the means of production should be governed by the people and not just whoever happens to own the capital. One way to word that would be anti-capitalist, but another way would be to word it as economic democracy.
    
    So if you require an inclusive definition for something to be legitimate, there you go. Liberals in America do not seek to do away with capitalism, you would be hard pressed to find any that do. If you support capitalism, then by the fact that capitalism’s private ownership is mutually exclusive with democratic control of the economy, you don’t support a democratic control of the economy.
    
    You can’t have a vegan meat eater, not because of any moral assessment on veganism or meat eating, but because those two terms are mutually exclusive.
    
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  - alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The only way to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of liberals is liberal policy, the singular thing we are all against.
    
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pelotron@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is an environment of welcoming. And you should just get the hell out of here.

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- PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You should stop contradicting yourself to keep getting to lib bash without feeling responsible for drawing the wrong people in.
  
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  - pelotron@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Hang on guy, I’m with you. youtu.be/CzX-fFPUigQ
    
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