Comment on Euro bottles are so much better now

• agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And even that is dubious.

  How many of the caps are actually reaching the ocean and is that actually a way to reduce that?

  I mean, how about a European refund system? Works perfectly fine in Germany and actually makes recycling a bit easier?

  These caps are empty gestures as I described above.

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I can’t see how attaching them wouldn’t increase the rates at which they’re recycled.

    You can believe this was never a problem perhaps, but then you’ve got to wonder why the change was made—no one is gonna profit from the design of bottle caps changing, so what’s the motive for the change if it’s not a problem? Contrary to the somewhat common belief, politicians tend to try and not waste time on useless legislation.

    A refund system costs money, this change basically doesn’t.

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    • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It was implemented as a symbol. I described it above.

      The entire idea, similar to the carbon footprint, are attempts by the fossil industry to shift responsibility away from them and towards consumers. We from BP and BASF would love to stop pollution, but you guys keep throwing away the bottle caps! So they lobby the European Parliament to enact such regulations, the Parliament can act like they actually did something and the industry can keep producing plastics.

      Yes, other solutions would cost more money. But these solutions would have at least a realistic chance to change something.

      Remember the straight cucumber regulation? That was demanded by the retail industry. So it’s not like the EU doesn’t enact regulations for some lobby groups.

      And if you think these caps are doing anything, the fossil industry fooled you successfully.

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      • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yes I completely understand the lobbying the fossil fuel industry does and the tactics they use.

        This is not the only policy from the EU regarding climate change however. If it was, I’d be with you that it’s absolutely not good enough.

        No one is sat thinking we’ve solved climate change by making plastic bottle lids slightly differently, and given this thread it clearly carries a negative sentiment. So it’s a pretty bad symbolic gesture.

        We currently have a problem with microplastics.

        I fail to see how this change will not increase the rates at which the lids are recycled.

        This change was basically free, so even if it only moves the needle slightly, it was a change worth making.

        There’s no silver bullet for fixing the problem, pretty much everything has to change, and this is just one of those many changes.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Less plastics on your streets, in your yards, and fields, is also an important goal

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    • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Then introduce a refund system. Has been proven to work in Germany for over 20 years.

      And as I wrote in another comment already: these regulations are a distraction so that the real problems can be ignored. They are actively harmful.

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