Comment on Euro bottles are so much better now

• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess because I’ve got used to it now and it’s entirely a non-issue in my life, I wouldn’t say it scratches my cheek at all.

  If it means less microplastic in the sea, I’m all for it

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  • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And even that is dubious.

    How many of the caps are actually reaching the ocean and is that actually a way to reduce that?

    I mean, how about a European refund system? Works perfectly fine in Germany and actually makes recycling a bit easier?

    These caps are empty gestures as I described above.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can’t see how attaching them wouldn’t increase the rates at which they’re recycled.

      You can believe this was never a problem perhaps, but then you’ve got to wonder why the change was made—no one is gonna profit from the design of bottle caps changing, so what’s the motive for the change if it’s not a problem? Contrary to the somewhat common belief, politicians tend to try and not waste time on useless legislation.

      A refund system costs money, this change basically doesn’t.

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      • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It was implemented as a symbol. I described it above.

        The entire idea, similar to the carbon footprint, are attempts by the fossil industry to shift responsibility away from them and towards consumers. We from BP and BASF would love to stop pollution, but you guys keep throwing away the bottle caps! So they lobby the European Parliament to enact such regulations, the Parliament can act like they actually did something and the industry can keep producing plastics.

        Yes, other solutions would cost more money. But these solutions would have at least a realistic chance to change something.

        Remember the straight cucumber regulation? That was demanded by the retail industry. So it’s not like the EU doesn’t enact regulations for some lobby groups.

        And if you think these caps are doing anything, the fossil industry fooled you successfully.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Less plastics on your streets, in your yards, and fields, is also an important goal

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      • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Then introduce a refund system. Has been proven to work in Germany for over 20 years.

        And as I wrote in another comment already: these regulations are a distraction so that the real problems can be ignored. They are actively harmful.

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• jvilhuber@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If that’s the biggest annoyance in your life, I want your life!

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  • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not, and it’s disingenuous to imply that this is what I wrote.

    You’re building a straw man.

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  • Lemmeenym@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you only have one annoyance big enough to complain about I want your life.

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