Comment on [Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?

• Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If we remove the ethic argument from the conversation, veganism is definitely a better choice for the planet, factually.

  People have a hard time detaching their ego from the issue at hand. Since veganism is better for the planet, they are “better” in that specific area of their life.

  But it doesn’t mean that vegans are better people than non-vegans, because we don’t know what else they do.

  Eat meat if you want. I do. But I don’t feel personally attacked because vegans are right about the carbon footprint of meat, and they preach for it.

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  • IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That choice is steeped in privilege though, and I think it’s worth acknowledging that. Food choices are just something we shouldn’t be judging other people on, regardless of what those choices are. “Fed is best” applies through all stages of life.

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    • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You are right, but we use this privilege to eat more meat instead of more vegetables. So my point still stands.

      And even then, meat is way pricier than vegetables, so the privilege argument is shaky.

      But as I said, assume the fact that you eat meat and that it is more damageable for the environment and after that, if you are in a position where you can afford to eat less or no meat, do it if you feel like it.

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      • IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Some people do, but it’s not as easy as “just eat better” for everyone. If we were arguing about how people aren’t eating healthy I think very few people would be frame it as just a choice.

        Cheap meat, fast food (few if any veggie options, and basically no vegan ones) - these are staples of the poor. There’s a limit to how much rice and beans anyone wants to eat, especially when just getting a couple pounds of ground beef is a luxury. I don’t think it’s right to shame people for taking the beef. Or judging them for taking it.

        I think if vegans want to change the world they should be campaigning against poor practices in the industry, not attacking the guy who just worked 16 hours at a minimum wage job and is choosing to grab a mcdouble rather than going home to cook a beyond burger. Is one better for the environment and world? Sure. But it’s not that guy’s fault the system is rigged in favor of the mcdouble, and reminding him of the fact that he’s making the world worse isn’t furthering the goal of making the world better.

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• Obonga@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No. It is one better choice. Does not say shit about the millions of other choices we do.

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thank you for preaching and proving my and others point.

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    • Obonga@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If the fact bothers you, maybe you should refrain from discussions on this topic. Or tell me why it is not a “better choice”.

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Making a better choice” doesn’t “make you a better person”, necessarily.

  And also like I said in my post, just accept that you’re not always going to be a perfect person. None of us are. You don’t have to get mad at anyone else for that.

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