If they even notice it, they will say that the website TOS is the relevant license.
Eirher way, they will just go ahead and use it. None of us have the resources or perseverance to take them to court in a meaningful way.
Comment on What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?
breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My simple understanding of the idea is it forces AI companies to have to avoid taking those comments. If they did, they would need to provide attribution to the sources etc.
Time will tell if it works
Deestan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
explore_broaden@midwest.social 7 months ago
What is the website ToS for different Lemmy instances, and does it really permit commercial use in AI?
Deestan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As far as I can tell, they don’t prohibit it. Couldn’t find any mention of it in Lemmy.world TOS
explore_broaden@midwest.social 7 months ago
Yes but the default state is that you have copyright over your posts/comments, and by sending them to your Lemmy server you are giving them some license to at least distribute the content to others (most services specify what license you are giving them in the ToS, which is where they would say that you are licensing them to sell you shit to AI companies). In theory by specifying the CC-SA-NC license or whatever that should be the license unless your Lemmy instance has some ToS terms that specifically say you’re granting additional privileges to someone by posting.
Whether AI companies actually care (they don’t) is a different story, but if eventually they actually have to follow copyright laws like everyone else then it could matter.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If they even notice it, they will say that the website TOS is the relevant license.
Does Lemmy’s TOS state that I do not own the content that I upload to their site?
Deestan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It says nothing, so you have copyright on it.
Adding a restrictive license to it only means as much as you’re willing and able to police it yourself and take others to court.
As an individual, for individual comments of two sentences each, this is not an option.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As an individual, for comments of two sentences each, this is not an option.
My content is usually more than a sentence or two.
Also, it puts a stake in the ground for any future enforcement done by others than myself if laws change.
Its a low-hanging-fruit way of protecting my content. If it works, great, and if it doesn’t, then I’ll vote for someone else for Congress the next time.
I’ve wasted more time replying on this single conversation/post than I have copy/pasting the link in all of my comments so far.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
The CC requires copyright holders to contact companies that violate the license and give them 30 days to remediate.
I highly doubt:
- people who put the CC-BY-NC license in their comment will troll AI bots to see if their specific comments are being used
- those same people can prove to the company that their comment was used
- the company will actually take them at their word and remove their comments from their training data
- even if all of the above are true, can afford an attorney let alone sustain that attorney through the case
- even if all of the above are true, prevail in a court of law
I think people adding the license is fine. It’s your comment. Do whatever. I don’t think it’s as harmful as sovereign citizens using their own license plate for “traveling”.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m retired, and have money, so you never know. 😇
Plus also, it’s also about future legislation, and putting a stake in the ground now. As it is, corporations are fighting each other over their content being used freely to program other corporations AI models, so I’m expecting a lot of lobbying money flying around in Washington just about now.
But finally, just because enforcement might be difficult, doesn’t mean a license can’t still be used.
kevincox@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
It doesn’t work.
By default you have complete ownership of all works you create. What that license link is doing is granting an additional license to the comment. (In this case likely the only available license.)
This means that people can choose to use the terms in this license rather than the default one. It can’t take away any of their default privileges.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My simple understanding of the idea is it forces AI companies to have to avoid taking those comments. If they did, they would need to provide attribution to the sources etc.
Time will tell if it works
That’s my understanding as well.
And yes, I can’t force them to be legal and to honor license, but I can do my part, and hope those who are coding over on their side are open source minded, and are willing to honor the license.
Generally speaking, just because someone else may break the law doesn’t mean I can’t use the law to try to protect myself.
ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It won’t. It’s just like the boomers over on Facebook.