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• Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Where and how does it end? Both infinity and non-infinity seem strange to me.

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  • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Our mathematical definitions say that it does not end. We’ve defined addition so that any number + 1 is larger than that number (i.e. x+1 > x).

    You’re probably confused, because you think infinity is a concrete thing/number. It’s not.
    In actual higher-level maths, no one ever does calculations with infinity.
    Rather, we say that if we insert an x into a formula, and then insert an x+1 instead, and then insert an x+2 instead, and were to continue that lots of times, how does the result change?

    So, very simple example, this is our formula: 2*x

    If we insert 1, the result is 2.
    If we insert 2, the result is 4.
    If we insert 82170394, the result is 164340788.

    The concrete numbers don’t matter, but we can say that as we increase x towards infinity, the result will also increase towards infinity.
    (It’s not 2*infinity, that doesn’t make sense.)

    Knowing such trends for larger numbers is relevant for certain use-cases, especially when the formula isn’t quite as trivial.

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    • weker01@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That is until you meet analysis people that define a symbol for infinity (and it’s negation) and add it to the real numbers to close the set.

      Also there are applications in computer science where ordering stuff after the first infinite ordinal is important and useful.

      Yea unfortunately we do kinda calculate with infinity as a concrete thing sometimes in higher level maths…

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    • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Limits at infinity are one thing, but infinite ordinals are meaningfully used in set theory and logic

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