Comment on If you want communism, you can start a commune

zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No, I am saying that getting funding for new businesses is a necessary part of any economic system. It is clear to me how that work under capitalism. I have never seen a sane explanation on how that would work in democratic communism.

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  • zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah, see, that’s a different question than how you get funding under communism under capitalism.

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    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So what is the difference? How does it work under communism? Some central planning committee? So when someone wants to make an independent new broadcast, episode of South Park, or Fuck the government T-Shirt, they need to ask the government commission?

      What about more serious things like abortion pills, anti-conception, hormone therapy for transgender people? You want to entrust basically every aspect of your life (everything you can get in exchange for your work) to a commision?

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      • Killing_Spark@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’d rather entrust almost every aspect of your live to the benevolence of some people that do not have any oversight by the populous that they have power over by the means of controlling the capital?

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      • zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m not well read enough on communism to know smart people’s ideas there, but the way I see it it gives room for any system of experimentation the people want. Maybe you pitch your idea to the government instead of investors, and they give you resources. In a system with small markets, you can start in the market and, if it does well, get upgraded to governments operated. “Communism” doesn’t mean one thing, and there’s a lot of room for variety, do we could we decide to try one of these systems but then switch to another, allowing better adaptation than capitalism where profit is the only way.

        I take hormone therapy for transgender people (hi, I am transgender people) and I’m already at the whims of the government. Perhaps a communist government might not make it free for me if the political climate said no, but as long as it’s not outright banned and there is some alternate system to the government’s plan, I could still get it. That’s not far off where I am now, actually (Florida). Perhaps we could write this sort of going around other government to some degree (perhaps by small market) into the constitution as a layer of safety.

        I’ve been saying “let the government do [x]” a lot, and if you’re from a neoliberal country you might have heard “excessive bureaucracy”, but that’s a result of capitalism ruining your government. Government doesn’t have to be bad, nor even a monolith. Most forms of communism I’ve heard of have multiple levels, from committees covering broad country-level goals to committees on local-level details, each level getting a fair degree of autonomy. But also, you can talk to or even get on the committees! They’re made of citizens like you, and with no corporate interests or lobbying!

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  • Killing_Spark@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d imagine it works the same as it does under capitalism but instead of pitching to a set of private investors the investment decisions are made… Democratically?

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    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lemmy.world/comment/9668312

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