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• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not defending it. But those cows are born to die.

  This does not occur in the ocean and is why fish are rapidly dwindling in size and numbers, damaging massive ecosystems along the way.

  You can’t overcow cows, you just make more. But we overfish fish all the time even with such low standards for what “overfishing” is.

  Seafood is the hidden destroyer of much of the world’s living nature. But conveniently it is easy to ignore because you don’t see under the waterline, and it’s too difficult to regulate properly. Can’t just roll up to 100 boats like you can 100 farms.

  If someone wants to hate on meat but say fish is okay, the least they can do is cut out all seafood unless farmed. While that’s ironically just bringing them up to a level no different to land meat, at least they wont be decimating all the bulk of life on earth they mockingly claim to hold so dear but forget is mostly in the ocean.

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  • cleanprairiedog@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I agree 100% with you killing aquatic life is bad for ecosystems and the animals themselves.

    Saying the cows are born to die is arbitrary. There are cultures that consume dogs and cats for food, the same could be said about them.

    If a serial killer was impregnating human women and stealing their babies to eat them, the same could be said about the babies the serial killer was eating. That they were just born to die.

    Vegans don’t consume any land or marine animals. Veganism is a philosophy concerned with avoiding harm to animals as far as possible and practicable.

    It’s not a philosophy of complete non-harm since that isn’t attainable for most people with the social obligations they have.

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    • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Saying the cows are born to die is arbitrary

      No, it’s literal. Humans produce and slaughter ~3.5B cows for consumption annually. If this were not the case and the numbers were natural, the planet would be consumed by cows in a short number of years. That’s if the ~55B chickens a year don’t cover every inch of the surface first. If we stopped eating cows, the heartier species would continue to exist naturally but in very low numbers in specific environments,.back to how it used to be.

      That’s land numbers. Farmed, regulated, controlled, sustained, and efficient. Now think of how hard humans go on marine life…

      It’s a finite resource at this point, one which climate and ecosystems of the land depend on to survive. The pescatarian diet is the “I want everything to die as efficiently as possible” choice, showing how little Pescatarians actually think before getting on a soapbox. They’re your hypothetical murderer but they don’t impregnate first, and they litter an unfathomable amount, and it’s not just human babies it’s any living creature in proximity of the human baby just 'cause.

      Also, you don’t need to randomly mansplain veganism :)

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      • cleanprairiedog@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If this were not the case and the numbers were natural, the planet would be consumed by cows in a short number of years.

        The reason there are so many cows is because people are breeding them into existence. There are far more cows now than there would be if people were not eating them. I’d rather be extinct than be sexually abused by humans, have my children killed at a fraction of their lifespan, and live in filth like most cows do.

        Instead of breeding more animals, we should let the ones alive now live out their natural lifespans and stop breeding them. But as long as people keep buying animal products, breeders will keep breeding the animals.

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