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• lugal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I didn’t mean to disagree with you. Just add that they are formally open to other leftist viewpoints but not effectively.

  And yes, you will get alot of strawmans like Engels’ On Authority. If you want an analysis of the text, this video debunks it quite well

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you an anti-Engels Marxist? I’m sorry, I think I actually agree with downvoting you, lol. That’s silly.

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    • lugal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, I’m not a Marxist. I agree with him in some points and agree with some libertarian Marxists but at the end, they say alot of stuff Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, … said long before

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So… why are you surprised that you get downvoted for being an Anarchist in a Marxist-Leninist space?

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• melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lenin had some disagreements with Marx, i dont even like marx ans lenin is worse, and ‘marxist lenninist’ means ‘stalinist’. Which is even worse.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What is a leftist, if not someone advocating collective owmership of Capital? Leftist isn’t a syononym for “good,” of course, but I fail to see how Marxist-Leninists aren’t leftists.

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    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In the USSR the serfs were still serfs, the workers still didn’t own the means of production, and there was still a tiny room of delusional shit sticks making all the decisions, often wildly irrationally.

      Better than one guy doing it, but no more, or not much more communist than the UK or France.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The USSR was a Worker State, owned and run by the workers. Soviet Democracy was the base model of decision making, along the formation of Democratic Centralism.

        There were numerous struggles and issues with the USSR, of course. There was corruption, especially among the Politburo. The focus on heavy industry over light industry, though favorable during WWII, resulted in fewer luxury commodities, which resulted in liberalization and collapse.

        Fundamentally, it is entirely silly to say that the USSR wasn’t leftist. It absolutely was, even if it was highly flawed and imperfect. In fact, it’s useful to analyze what went right (free eduaction, high home ownership, generous social safety net) and what went wrong (corruption, lack of luxury commodities, etc.) so as to come up with a better system.

        That is, unless you think Marxism isn’t leftist, and think only Anarchism counts as leftist, in which case I really don’t know what to tell you.

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• SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is the fascist

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In what manner at all? Fascism is fucking horrible, and I am talking about Marx and Engels. Unless, of course, you think Communism is fascist, in which case I really don’t know what to tell you.

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