What exactly are people referring to when the label this a genocide? Like, what line was crossed where this changed from defending against terrorists to commiting a genocide, in your opinion? (I’m genuienly curious, couldnt really find anything specific on this)
Comment on Germans: what genocide?
AreaSIX@lemm.ee 2 months agoThe US and Germany are both signatories of the UN arms trade treaty . This is article 6 (3):
“A State Party shall not authorize any transfer of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1) or of items covered under Article 3 or Article 4, if it has knowledge at the time of authorization that the arms or items would be used in the commission of genocide, crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, attacks directed against civilian objects or civilians protected as such, or other war crimes as defined by international agreements to which it is a Party”
Mass murder is the name of the game in war. So arming other militaries is always in support of mass murder. But in the eyes of international law some mass murder is acceptable as part of war. But genocide and the other crimes recounted above have been deemed to cross the threshold of acceptability in international law, and therefore are meant to stop the transfer of arms immediately. If the US and Germany were to acknowledge that these crimes are being perpetrated by Israel, they’d have to stop transferring arms. Mass murder in itself is admittedly wrong, but that alone is not sufficient to trigger a halt to arms exports. Therefore, it is of great importance to keep repeating: this is a genocide, and those arming the perpetrators are complicit in their crimes.
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
AreaSIX@lemm.ee 2 months ago
What exactly are people referring to when the label this a genocide?
This is The UN Convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide detailing what constitutes a genocide.
Like, what line was crossed where this changed from defending against terrorists to commiting a genocide, in your opinion?
Here’s South Africa’s 84 page indictment with details and receipts on how the genocide Convention is being violated, assuming a good faith and genuine question on your part.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 months ago
terrorism is a crime. you use police to deal with crimes. investigate, get a warrant, and bring them to a judge.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 months ago
Especially when the terrorists come from an area which the victim has effective control over. It’s a police matter, not a 2,000 pound bomb matter.
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Thank you, that is a very helpful insight!
Why do we then seem to hear only about the genocide controversy? Wouldn’t it be easier/faster/more obvious to argue for all the other crimes mentioned above?
AreaSIX@lemm.ee 2 months ago
That’s because the crime of genocide tends to contain within it multiple instances of crimes against humanity, breaches of the Geneva convention, attacks against civilians and so on. It’s basically the ultimate crime containing all the other crimes within it. And the highest authority on international law in the World, the ICJ, has said that it is plausible that what Israel is doing amounts to a genocide. It really is very clear and simple, if you’re willing to see that is.