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plu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

Go ahead and throw Marxist theory out of the window arguing on the internet but in the mean time actual real-life organized socialists will keep the class struggle on the forefront of their priorities.

How any self-proclaimed Marxists can take seriously the socdem idea that the state has the capability to control and punish their domestic capitalists if it's just smart enough, and call that communist, is beyond me. The superstructure is a result of the productive relations, not the other way 'round. People who actually read and understand Marxist theory and have read more than the glorified quote book will know that like the back of their hand.

While you keep keyboard warrioring for the CCP online, real life Maoists and anti-revisionists are being imprisoned and oppressed by the bureaucratic traitors of Dengist descent.

I don't want to flaunt around any credentials as this is the internet and anyone can lie, but let me tell you that actual, real-life internationally organized communists find CCP apologism more than ridiculous. This Dengism defense is an internet phenomenon of Western middle class people radicalized via memes, not any ideology taken seriously by the working class.

And who ever mentioned the KMT?

And you recommending a random YouTube channel called Epic China as a credible source on Chinese politics speaks for itself, I think.

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TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

While you keep keyboard warrioring for the CCP online

Looks like a reactionary, talks like a reactionary... Marxists never behave like that.

And you recommending a random YouTube channel called Epic China as a credible source on Chinese politics speaks for itself, I think.

He is quite credible, and the 40 minute video shows how much research he does before he speaks. Also thanks for revealing that you called the channel name Epic China, and never actually bothered to even open the URL before opening your loud, reactionary mouth.

Socialists are a lot more humble than this. You will never be one. You are projecting when you are saying I am part of "Western middle class" who reads r/politicalcompassmemes tier stuff. I come from India, and I prefer to open my mouth only when I know about stuff.

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- plu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Ah yes, I am applying the classic reactionary strategy of promoting the class struggle and explaining the basic relation of superstructure and relations of production.
  
  Jesus fucking Christ, revisionists are clearly something else.
  
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  - TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    "Haha let me just act all wordplay and semantics to pull the party trick and get the socialist club pass"
    
    No.
    
    Also, from earlier comment above proves what you are doing here.
    
    While you keep keyboard warrioring for the CCP online, real life Maoists and anti-revisionists are being imprisoned and oppressed by the bureaucratic traitors of Dengist descent.
    
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cameraandsickle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
"Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out."

Shit I guess Lenin was a socdem for thinking the state can control and punish their domestic capitalists.

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- plu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  That's the pre-revolution strategy...
  
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  - cameraandsickle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    NEP was pre-revolution?
    
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    plu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    No, but the NEP was the reactionary reintroduction of capitalist production to the Soviet Union, directly leading to the bureaucratic takeover of the state by the interests of that new industrial elite with the face of Stalin. As always, superstructure determined by the foundation.
    
    Can't really blame Lenin though, as the USSR's productive forces clearly were not advanced enough to build socialism at the time. Anyone would have done the same optimistically.
    
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