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plu@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Let me preface this that I am not pro-CCP, but I am anti-imperialist and obviously anti-this thinly veiled regime change strategy of the US.
The most convincing argument towards the Uyghur/Xinjiang situation is that there simply has never been any evidence that is not directly connected to the CIA, some organized neo-nazi or fanatical anticommunist cult, or either of their front organizations. Really. Zero.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
And you can play that game yourself: go ahead and find any claim to evidence about it and look into the sources, you will always find some link to Radio Free Asia (former Radio Freedom from Bolshevism), the Falun Gong (Chinese Scientology-ish cult who teach race science), islamists, or the CIA's Freedom Fund or various front organizations.
This isn't even disregarding all non-communist evidence as reactionary (something commonly said about us), but this is only counting actual fascists and fanatical anticommunists like Zenz, and the CIA which has a looong history with faking this shit. Remember Iraq/Iran?
The more important point in this entire debate is that clearly there is a level of alienation between the Chinese people and its official government. The PRC is not a socialist country, but instead a capitalist country led by a clique of those who idealistically believe they can control their local capitalists and harness their advancements of the productive forces, as if the state was superior to the ownership models of production. The current leadership is the ideological descent of those who ousted actual communists from the PRC during the anti-Mao coup and have been oppressing them and democraticazion efforts (in a socialist sense) for decades. Many Tiananmen Square protesters were socialists.
Either way, this does not mean one should report anything the imperialist West spouts about China uncritically. This is a classic inter-imperialist conflict like in Leninist literature, and the global working class should fight for neither side but its own. In times of dawning war, that side is taking a stance against disinformation and warmongering like the campaign against China.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
This is a load of disinformation and grift.
And USA is communist? What else, Ukraine does not have neo Nazis in its army? CPC is pretty much a socialist government and China is a market based socialist economy. State capitalism lies are a point used by pro-imperialist neoliberals and even traditional Western right wingers. CPC aka state holds their corporations considerably accountable unlike Big Tech that highly controls citizens and governments in West.
This comment is clearly written by a person who has not read one sentence about Mao or Deng's works, or Xi's modifications to Dengism.
How is KMT socialist? IIRC they were a dictatorship that suppressed Chinese natives. Chiang Kai-Shek was a Japanese sent over. CPC is socialist, and you are blatantly lying.
Here are lots of bits and pieces from Nathan Rich, who does the Epic China series. He is by far the most credible historian on China (that communicates in English) outside of those dingy libraries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XID9cVqNEtQ
plu@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Go ahead and throw Marxist theory out of the window arguing on the internet but in the mean time actual real-life organized socialists will keep the class struggle on the forefront of their priorities.
How any self-proclaimed Marxists can take seriously the socdem idea that the state has the capability to control and punish their domestic capitalists if it's just smart enough, and call that communist, is beyond me. The superstructure is a result of the productive relations, not the other way 'round. People who actually read and understand Marxist theory and have read more than the glorified quote book will know that like the back of their hand.
While you keep keyboard warrioring for the CCP online, real life Maoists and anti-revisionists are being imprisoned and oppressed by the bureaucratic traitors of Dengist descent.
I don't want to flaunt around any credentials as this is the internet and anyone can lie, but let me tell you that actual, real-life internationally organized communists find CCP apologism more than ridiculous. This Dengism defense is an internet phenomenon of Western middle class people radicalized via memes, not any ideology taken seriously by the working class.
And who ever mentioned the KMT?
And you recommending a random YouTube channel called Epic China as a credible source on Chinese politics speaks for itself, I think.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Looks like a reactionary, talks like a reactionary... Marxists never behave like that.
He is quite credible, and the 40 minute video shows how much research he does before he speaks. Also thanks for revealing that you called the channel name Epic China, and never actually bothered to even open the URL before opening your loud, reactionary mouth.
Socialists are a lot more humble than this. You will never be one. You are projecting when you are saying I am part of "Western middle class" who reads r/politicalcompassmemes tier stuff. I come from India, and I prefer to open my mouth only when I know about stuff.
plu@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Ah yes, I am applying the classic reactionary strategy of promoting the class struggle and explaining the basic relation of superstructure and relations of production.
Jesus fucking Christ, revisionists are clearly something else.
cameraandsickle@lemmygrad.ml 2 years ago
"Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out."
Shit I guess Lenin was a socdem for thinking the state can control and punish their domestic capitalists.
plu@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
That's the pre-revolution strategy...