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Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 months agoMosseri has dual US/Israel citizenship, and Zuckerberg was raised Reform and has Jewish ancestry. So whether or not that’s why you despise them, the point about the dog whistle is legit. Maybe you should edit it to something more befitting the reasons you despise them. Be creatively critical!
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No, it isn’t; a dogwhistle is a message that isn’t detectable by someone unaware of it. Using lizard person like that isn’t an antisemitic dog whistle because people have been using it to disparagingly refer to the wealthy/politicians/etc. irrespective of their heritage for decades at the very least. Whether the term used to be used a specific way, or even how it originated isn’t actually relevant to the question.
Basically what I’m saying is you need to calm down and figure out the difference between being woke and being a wokescold. It’s hard to strike that ballance, but the first step is realizing you haven’t done it yet.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
He’s correct and the more defensive you get the more I feel like you just wanna keep using the term. This is coming from someone who didn’t know any of this and won’t use the term in the future. I can always call Zucc a robot instead 🤖
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I asked some friends what they thought, and one of them mentioned they were accused of being antisemitic for doing exactly that. So what is true about the lizard joke that’s definitely not true about the robot one that you think determines antisemitism?
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Hahaha, I think the only person getting worked up here is yourself. I mean really, what’s cringier than “wokescold”? Next you’ll be calling me a “wokewitch.” For the high crime of checking Wikipedia. Put down the torch and pitchfork, sweetie, you’ll hurt yourself.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Yeah, things like calling me “sweetie” and implying that my mild criticism is me acting like you committed a high crime are not exactly going to change my mind. Telling other people what to do based on a misplaced notion of what’s harmful is exactly what I mean. It reminds me of that really creepy phase of internet discourse when a large ammount of people started insisting on saying “Latinx” as a gender-neutral inclusive version of “latino” or “latina”. The worst part about that was it was an exonym that was being forced on a minority community by a bunch of white liberals who had a notion of what was wrong with someone else’s culture and were actively trying to fix it. So instead of being slightly annoying and unhelpful they were being actively harmful in their ignorance. BTW, for anyone wondering: I’ve learned through speaking with people that the preferred term is “Latine”.
Now, obviously the same damage is not being done in this instance, but it illustrates why I’m saying this, and shows the dangers of bandwagoning as soon as you think something might be perpetuating oppression. No doubt that it’s good to be aware of how our behavior affects others and to adjust accordingly, but what I see here is people defending a billionaire against a term by saying that it’s antisemitic without being educated on it by the wider Jewish community beforehand, and so I find it largely unconvincing. If I see further discourse about it I’ll investigate, and if one of my friends starts talking to me about it I’ll heed their concerns. However, a small number of strangers on the internet saying something isn’t enough to change my mind, especially not without a good argument.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
There’s billions of reasons to hate those guys that have nothing to do with their religion.
And using “woke” as a pejorative? Woke is simply having basic human decency and a modicum of common sense, so nobody who finds it used about them really minds. “Scold” has been used for centuries to shove outspoken and/or educated women into submission. It’s a label I’ll be proud to wear.
As for your defending dehumanization, and calling some people’s attempts to be gender-inclusive “creepy” rather than simply ungrammatical? Gee, sorry you find even the merest reference to anything other than heterosexual-male humanity so icky you can’t even.
Supporting the Reptilian Conspiracy puts you squarely in the same camp as David Icke, follower of Robert E. Howard, who referred to the “Kosher Nostra” and said powerful men in the Bible couldn’t have been really Jewish, but must have been “Aryan, like myself.”
You’ve told us who you are, and I believe you.