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Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months agoI’m explaining that when you look at the specific, actual information that is being revealed, the difference is clear.
It doesn’t seem clear to me. What’s the actual difference of men having a higher rate of violence towards women and one of those immigrant groups having having higher rate of sexual violence towards women? Both are real, actual things that are concerning, but what makes it okay to make a blanket statement about one group but not the another? That’s something I don’t understand.
I very easily dismissed the one that I could read
Not at all. You saw the word “suspect” and thought it can be dismissed on that basis alone without showing anything for conviction rates. It’s an inordinately high rate of suspects and there’s an inordinately high rate of those convicted.
I mean, you sure dismissed it I guess, but rather with an argument that doesn’t hold much water at all.
Oh no! That sounds like you just made a blanket statement that men and immigrants are violent. That’s actually something I’ve never done, unless you can quote me saying that.
It’s sorta the whole basis of the discussion, that the behaviour and rhetoric employed here is justified because it is backed up by statistics.
You keep talking about “blanket statements”. Can you find the blanket statements I’ve made, please? You keep talking about these “blanket statements”. Which ones? Quote them please. I would like to know what I have said that has got you on this tear about racism and immigration and why it’s unfair to talk about statistics or whatever.
If you don’t feel like this is one then I’m not sure what it is trying to say:
“Tell me, do you know how likely women are to be killed by men vs the other way around?”
“The problem with “not all men” is that there is an obvious follow up question: “which men?””
why it’s unfair to talk about statistics or whatever.
I don’t think it’s unfair, I think labeling a whole group is.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
You said this:
I said this:
Now, if you can’t tell the difference here, if you really think I was making a blanket statement that all men are violent, I cannot help you.
You are completely wrong to call those blanket statements. If you’re curious to understand what I mean, then I will explain, but you need to say that you are curious to understand me. So far I have seen nothing but pettifoggery. I will not translate that word.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Sounds like you cannot help me since it all sounds like prejudiced behaviour towards a group with statistics being used to justify it.
I mean better late than never. I would’ve expected that to have been the first thing to have been said here, but instead the whole thing got sidetracked about your doubt towards the statistics.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Oh, what happened to “blanket statements”? Sounds like you’ve walked that back rather a long way to something a lot more vaguely characterised without any specific things you can point to.
So are you or are you not curious to understand what I am saying? I need to hear you say it before I waste another moment on this.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I don’t honestly what you mean with this. Unless you mean you edited your comments, the blanket statements, the discussion, it’s still there?
I’m saying yes I am curious and that you should’ve started with that. Instead we got sidetracked about your doubt towards the statistics, that didn’t go anywhere.