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space_comrade@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

We can easily explain how a physical system produces consciousness.

We literally can’t do that at all though, not even close.

Because that’s literally a basic requirment of science.

How? Science is based on making models from empirical observations about the world and yourself, one of these empirical observations is the observation that your phenomenal consciousness actually exists, seemingly in opposition to the physical world, maybe we should perhaps include that fact in our models?

Also, you call it reductive. I don’t think it’s reductive.

It’s literally how that category of metaphysical thought is called, it’s an actual philosophical term.

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Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

How? Science is based on making models from empirical observations about the world and yourself

Science requires falsafiability. It’s fine to belive other things, but science it a method, not a belief system.

one of these empirical observations is the observation that your phenomenal consciousness actually exists, seemingly in opposition to the physical world, maybe we should perhaps include that fact in our models?

Nothing I’ve seen seems to imply it’s outside of our models. You haven’t explained why that’s the case. We know how the humans brain and nervous system functions. It isn’t magic anymore.

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- space_comrade@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Nothing I’ve seen seems to imply it’s outside of our models.
  
  It literally is tho. There is no mention of consciousness anywhere in either quantum mechanics or general relativity.
  
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