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Comment on Oscar celebrities accused of wearing 'symbol of bloodlust' originating from Palestinians 'lynching' 2 Israelis

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WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Ok first of all the top article if you read it states that there has been no connection to the symbol and the 2002 murders that they could establish.

And the second article is from the times of Israel. And explicitly stated that its covering what Israelites FEELS it means. It even ends with “i wonder” with the context that they wonder if artists4ceasefire knew, or cares that it makes them think of the 2002 murders. Then again any symbol used would have someone interpret in such a way to change the topic away from establishing a cease fire. More spin.

Again both articles fail to establish the connection. But at the least these two are open with that fact, though the last one is framing it in a way to not have to talk about artists4ceasefire message at all. Fox News assumed it to be true without doing their due diligence, either due to incompetence or to further an agenda.

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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

And the second article is from the times of Israel. And explicitly stated that its covering what Israelites FEELS it means

Well if they feel that way then isn’t that what it means? Liberal ideology is heavily based on feelings.

You keep talking about Fox News when I’ve cited other sources. It’s cited many other places. It’s weird to keep rambling about fox as if they are the only ones to report it.

Here is an article from snopes about it.

www.snopes.com/…/oscars-red-lapel-pins-gaza/

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- nac82@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Do you even read the shit you post?
  
  : Actor Ramy Youssef talks about his Artists4Ceasefire pin while on the red carpet at the #Oscars
  
  “We are all calling for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza”
  
  “We all want justice and peace for the Palestinian people”
  
  Then there is another part that references opinions of social media users on Twitter
  
  But according to social media posts, including one from the official X (formerly Twitter) account of the nation of Israel, the “red pin” actually symbolizes “one horrific event imprinted on the minds of Israelis and Palestinians. The 2000 Ramallah lynching of Israelis,” a real event that occurred on Oct. 12, 2000.
  
  So again you are going by Twitter reactions lmao.
  
  Maybe try reading something before posting it? Especially when it proves exactly the thing you are trying to disprove.
  
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- WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No. Anyone can feel however they want about symbols and its meanings are not affected.
  
  I mentioned Fox News because it’s the inciting article you posted, i specifically criticized you for it, And you claim it’s a reliable news source when it is not. The other sources you gave that are better news sources, do not back your claim.
  
  And to prove my point you gave me a Snopes article. As far as i know they are reputable, and yet…
  
  “Unfortunately for the claim, none of those sources proved this correlation either — they all described the events of Oct. 12, 2000, without mentioning anything about red hands (much less orange hands) later being used in pro-Palestine protests to symbolize those events.”
  
  DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE?
  
  This is all a big media push to undermine a possible cease fire, which assuming freeing hostages is the actual goal of Israel, a cease fire would be a benefit to everyone.
  
  And you constantly are attempting to distract from the topic by attacking unconcerned groups. Once you learned that i am not democrat, you moved on to liberals. You misrepresent the liberal stance, yet it really doesn’t matter as it’s moot anyways.
  
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- nac82@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Did you ever figure out how to read the article you linked?
  
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