Comment on This shouldn’t be normalised

• BossDj@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They were thinking that those caps were among the top items found littering beaches. So they put forward this measure to attempt to curb that issue.

  Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available. Maybe that’s the quiet part.

  Drinking from a can only works from one side, so I guess think of it that way.

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But are they though? Personally i see many bottles littered and even more lids from cups. Actually why are straws replaced with paper but the lids are still plastic? And why not ban plastic bottles alltogether like they’ve done with so many other things?

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    • BossDj@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know, it’s what they said. Maybe bottles are easier to clean up. They said “among” the most frequent items, so perhaps you’re right that those other things are worse, but there haven’t been reasonable alternatives suggested

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      • Vilian@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it’s a change expected to prevent 10% of the litter in european beaches, to be fair, the true fix could be ban plastic lol

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Plastics legislation is often incredibly patchwork and politicised-feeling. It’s a good idea,but I kind of think Extended Producer Responsibility would have gotten the job done better.

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  • Holzkohlen@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available. Maybe that’s the quiet part - making them less attractive to consumers

    Wow. I got played. I did finally switch to just drinking tap water and the number os single use plastic bottles I go through each weak is down by 90% or smth. Just like 2-3 bottles of coke left. I buy some local off-brand stuff cause screw big corporations.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available.

    Are there alternatives available for carbonated beverages? I guess we could go back to glass bottles. But, they’re effectively single-use too.

    We’ve come a long way, so that it’s normal to take a thermos to a coffee shop and have them put a tea or a coffee in it. I don’t know of any similar scheme for carbonated beverages. I’d love it if it existed, especially if you could keep your soda-pop cold for hours.

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    • freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Glass bottles are not always single use. Countries have systems to recollect them (empty bottles hold a face value), they get factory-cleaned and quality tested and each bottle can run for 20 or more cycles. The issue is more that it increases the transportation and handling costs and emissions because of weight. Bottles that don’t pass the test anymore but did stay in the system can get near 100% recycled, tho the issues there are that it’s usually downgrade (make dark bright again = hard) and very energy intensive (costs more energy to recycle than to make glass from scratch). Anyhow: not single use.

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• DarkThoughts@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think the intend here is pretty obvious? I also think the reaction over it is kinda overblown.

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I totally understand the intention. It just doesn’t work irl. Especially with youghurt and milk cartons. I assume they will do the same to detergents too?

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    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I buy a pack of juice each week that has the same cap and it's absolutely no problem at all. I honestly don't know how it "doesn't work" for you.

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      • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Although exaggerated, this guy sums it up pretty well

        youtu.be/twhYOMQ4MPw?si=r8Ri2RZOOUob5uez

        Also i live in a country with a quite well functioning recycling system so loose caps or bottles or even cans is not really an issue.

        So i guess the frustration is mostly at making a solution to a problem that was not there. And at best applying a solution across the whole eu to a problem that maybe is not there in all countries

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    • Holzkohlen@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like it especially on the milk cartons. They really don’t matter if you pour it into something to drink like my coffee.

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      • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think milk is one of the few that do work. Youghurt and sodas are a lot more inconvenient and in the long run i can’t see how much more they help compared to banning plastic bottles. I don’t see that many loose caps in the wild

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• toastus@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do you actually wonder?

  Those caps get lost way less and since the bottles themselves usually get recycled now the caps also stay in the cycle.

  And it took me like 5 bottles to get used to it.
  Even a slow learner should get it sooner or later.

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• Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You are right. How do they still allow plastic bottles ? That’s a huge waste of ressources.

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It actually is part of my point… i dont understand why they need to over complicate things

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• MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This looks great! I wish we had this in Australia.

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  • Swarfega@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m sure it will come. The first time I drank from one of these I was confused and thought my cap had a manufacturing defect so pulled it off.

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