You jest but honestly if I'm going to be spied on and my data harvested either way I'd prefer if it was my home country. At least Theoretically something could be done about it like petition my elected officials or sue. Can't really do that with a foreign country.
On the other hand, China has no jurisdiction over me and will deny to the five eyes countries any data it collects, or the fact that it collects anything at all. Worst they can do is deny me entry to the country because I say Free Tibet! and Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh! but I don't plan travelling to China anytime soon so whatever.
But the western countries spying on what I do with my phone can put me on a no-fly list, terrorist watchlist or even arrest me when I say eg that direct action and sabotage against climate-destroying industries is justified and necessary if the powers-that-be make peaceful change of course impossible—as they are doing right now.
Put me on a no-fly list, terrorist watchlist or even arrest me
Not having jurisdiction has famously never stopped China. Just ask Tibet. Or any country that wants to sail international waters in the south China sea. Or Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
Lastly, You are correct about China not sharing data with FVEY countries but don't think for a second that they are not sharing that info with Russia, Iran, or any other countries that actively seek to harm.
If a country is going to in some way use my data against me, I'd at least like to know the language and what my rights in that country are.
I seriously doubt China would send special agents to kidnap some random netizen from EU. And if they did, that would be a diplomatic incident—lots of explaining to be done and paperwork to be filled. And if they tried to extradite a netizen for saying that Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh, well, good luck, the courts would laugh at them.
I was somewhat serious and I agree with you. If a foreign country attempts to use my data to target and manipulate me, it is more likely to be opposed to my best interests.
AmberPrince@kbin.social 1 year ago
You jest but honestly if I'm going to be spied on and my data harvested either way I'd prefer if it was my home country. At least Theoretically something could be done about it like petition my elected officials or sue. Can't really do that with a foreign country.
Shurimal@kbin.social 1 year ago
On the other hand, China has no jurisdiction over me and will deny to the five eyes countries any data it collects, or the fact that it collects anything at all. Worst they can do is deny me entry to the country because I say Free Tibet! and Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh! but I don't plan travelling to China anytime soon so whatever.
But the western countries spying on what I do with my phone can put me on a no-fly list, terrorist watchlist or even arrest me when I say eg that direct action and sabotage against climate-destroying industries is justified and necessary if the powers-that-be make peaceful change of course impossible—as they are doing right now.
AmberPrince@kbin.social 1 year ago
Well the worst they can do is
Not having jurisdiction has famously never stopped China. Just ask Tibet. Or any country that wants to sail international waters in the south China sea. Or Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
Lastly, You are correct about China not sharing data with FVEY countries but don't think for a second that they are not sharing that info with Russia, Iran, or any other countries that actively seek to harm.
If a country is going to in some way use my data against me, I'd at least like to know the language and what my rights in that country are.
Shurimal@kbin.social 1 year ago
I seriously doubt China would send special agents to kidnap some random netizen from EU. And if they did, that would be a diplomatic incident—lots of explaining to be done and paperwork to be filled. And if they tried to extradite a netizen for saying that Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh, well, good luck, the courts would laugh at them.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
I was somewhat serious and I agree with you. If a foreign country attempts to use my data to target and manipulate me, it is more likely to be opposed to my best interests.
VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 1 year ago
Huh, you sure about this? Sincerely, a German.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
Well, which country would attempt to manipulate an American in a way that would help me?