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• blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While defederation is a valid tool, it’s also shouldn’t be the first choice if there is friction between instances. Instance Admins should talk to each other see if the problem can be resolved through various means, if not then defederation becomes a more reasonable option.

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  • hoodatninja@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I forgot to add, when admins of an instance say stuff like "In my opinion, this is an extraordinarily dumb act by the beehaw instance owners. It’s worse for beehaw users than for us, and will likely result in many beehaw users leaving that instance. They said in their post that this is a nuke, but I don’t think they fully assessed the blast area. Based on their post, I don’t think they fully understand what defederation does" in their formal statements, it doesn't exactly feel like an invitation to a conversation that is grounded in mutual respect.

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    • rufus@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes software developers and network admins are a bit blunt when expressing their opinion. The thought behind that is: What really matters are facts and right and wrong, not feelings. And those people sometimes are nerds. They care about software, and how to solve technical problems. Not so much about emotions and the people who have a different way of thinking. This can be everything from problematic to a legitimite way to express their feelings. I think it is warranted in this case. The decision affects many people and is a hassle for the admins and mods. They are entitled to express that they do not agree and think it is not sustainable/dumb from their perspective.

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      • hoodatninja@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I understand that but if you're pitching "the admins need to sit down and hash it out" then the fact that one group just proclaimed "not only are they dumb but they don't even know how fediverse works" is incredibly germain the conversation. Being blunt doesn't give someone a pass if they sound condescending/dismissive. They just sound condescending dismissive. Being an "engineer" doesn't excuse one from using basic social etiquette.

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  • hoodatninja@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    genuine question: are you aware why beehaw made its defederation decisions? It's not always about "conflict"

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    • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is still valid within the “use it as a last resort” framework. That doesn’t mean don’t use it, it just means think through the ramifications of using it before you do use it. If the admin comes to the conclusion that nothing else can be done, then defederate.

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