Comment on I have lost faith in almost *EVERY* vaccine
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years agoquarantine is standard medical practice I believe, that is sound scientifically as far as I know - keeping sick people with contagious disease away from others who can get it, is all I mean
I thought some have argued things like this were more effective than vaccines at eradicating disease in the past
some of the forced and sloppy "quarantine" measures around covid I dont think to be the same thing
dunno about antartica but they probably werent socially distanced. also contact just happens so not sure if it is possible to distance all that muc
picked up a book called outbreak and they made a movie on it, from the 90s I think, they were quarantining the diseased in it I think
quarantine is standard medical practice I believe, that is sound scientifically as far as I know - keeping sick people with contagious disease away from others who can get it, is all I mean
Thats if these illnesses are actually contagions. They also could be the result of similar lifestyles. It might be more than one illness that bring about the same symptoms. The pcr test are trash
PCR is an amplification system that can multiply the molecule you look for. Every cycle you run it, you double the sample. At a certain point, you can run it till you have detected a single molecule in the sample. This is what the tests were doing, and why having a positive test did not mean you actually were infected, rather that it found a single suspicious molecule in your sample. It was qualitative, not quantitative.
Covid PCR tests looked for pieces of Coronavirus. However, common flu also contains many types of Coronavirus.
So, the Covid PCR tests would give a positive result if it found a traces of dead flu virus. That's why the Covid numbers were so high in 2020/21, and there were no flu infections in the same time. They wrote down all Flu cases to Covid.
The flu definitely didn't magically disappear.
On paper, not in reality. Stats were all shifted to Covid. There's graphs showing the Flu cases over past 5 years. 2020, it dropped to nothing practically.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Yes, you are right. But quarantining only works with specific diseases, for e.g. Ebola or measles.
There is no evidence till date that quarantining is useful for Flu or Covid which are airborne.
Calling it sloppy when it doesn't work, doesn't prove anything. Its safer to assume it doesn't, till there is concrete examples showing its effective.
Just like the masks, vaccines, lockdowns, quarantines have had no effect on national data (worldometer). The national data shows they are all useless at reducing transmission. Vaccines reduce hospitalisation, but the % is so low, they are worthless unless you are 80+
Please look at my post from last week, where I analysed Covid Death data from Switzerland using Opendata. I clearly show the effects of Vax, Double Vax, Booster & Unvaxd on death rates.
Effectively, Covid death rate is close to the average life expectancy ~83 years. In England, avg Covid death was HIGHER than the life expectancy. Covid has had no effect on reducing life expectancy.
In fact, the excess deaths in 2020 and 2021 have been due to lockdowns - missed cancer treatments, surgeries, lack of exercise, increased diabetes and obesity. Not to mention skyrocketing suicides.
More deaths from govt response than Covid.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I think we are more or less on the same page, I think some quarantine measures work for like the diseases you mentioned. I think they could work a bit for flu maybe.
but everything going on with covid has been an unnecessary clown show it seems.
There is effectively no real social distancing going on when people are breathing everywhere, so theyre not truly quarantining or any of that stuff.
in a real (or worse) pandemic ppl would take stricter measures without anyone telling them to do so. today even if masks work ppl touch them and adjust them so much that they defeat the purpose. ppl wouldnt screw around like this with something like ebola.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Its in the air. Closing your door and windows is not going to stop it. Unless you live in a sealed environment where no air is passing in, you can't stop an airborne virus.
Maybe you are not aware, but viruses generally are in the size range of 100s of nm. 0.5 nm is the size of an atom. So viruses are around 200 times bigger than a SINGLE ATOM. You can't stop the thing if its airborne. Not with a mask, not with social distancing (what a joke), or really any way. It will pass through allmost everything.
Its very unfair to blame the poor people who tried their best to stay in Lockdown but still got it . Nothing they did could have stopped it from spreading.
Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Sloppy would be like workplaces and schools making everyone use the toilet outside in outhouses that are never cleaned. Indoor fixtures are easier to clean and not as cramped.