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• Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Breathing in Micro-rubber/micro-plastics from disintegrating car tires aren’t fixed at all by electrification.

  I can also hear ICE cars approach from behind when I’m cycling, but that isn’t the case with electric vehicles (which might be using “autopilot” and can’t see me on the road). I’m not sure if that whirring sound is present outside of low speeds, but I certainly can’t hear it with wind crossing my ears. Sometimes tire noise is audible, but not always.

  On the other hand, ICE drivers are more likely to intentionally try to hit me soooo

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  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Breathing in Micro-rubber/micro-plastics from disintegrating car tires isn’t fixed at all by electrification.

    That problem isn’t fixed by bicycling either.

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    • Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But in the comparison of tailpipe emissions (0.02 mg/km) vs tire emissions (36mg/km), I know which one I’m more worried about.

      Nick Molden of Emissions Analytics seems to think that the heavier the vehicle, the worse the wear on tires seems to be (though it greatly depends on driving style and torque). That’d probably mean heavy EVs and SUVs are the worst for this.

      Not that bicycles are completely clean- but there’s probably a time in the future to worry about bicycle microplastics- after the cars have been phased out.

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      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We’re talking about personal subjective measures, so there isn’t an objective “right” or “wrong” answer, but there’s a bit of a double standard to your logic. Here’s what I’m seeing from your stance:

        • ICE vs EV = even though EVs better, its still a car so still not good enough so use third choice "bicycling"
        • EV tire pollution vs bicycle tire pollution = bicycles produce the same type of pollution but less of it, so its good enough

        It seems like your logic should follow:

        • EV tire pollution vs bicycle tire pollution = bicycles produce the same type of pollution but less of it, but still not good enough so use third choice “walking”

        You could argue “walking is too slow, while biking is faster and at least less destructive than worse alternatives for fast travel”. However, that would also seem to introduce “bicycling is too slow, while EV is faster and at least less destructive than worse ICE alternatives for fast travel”.

        So you like bicycling, and there’s nothing wrong with that as it is purely subjective and there isn’t a wrong answer, but if you’re adhering to your logic, you should eschew bicycling for walking as its less destructive using an objective argument.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Breathing in Micro-rubber/micro-plastics from disintegrating car tires isn’t fixed at all by electrification.

    but even if you deleted all the cars, you’d still have small trucks, busses, fire trucks, etc.

    perhaps instead of saying no to car rolling things, come up with superior ways to roll things?

    cycles leave the same residue, their wheels are simply smaller.

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    • Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If transportation is necessary, find ways to mitigate emissions as best as possible. If emissions are unavoidable, use the thing with least emissions (small-tired lightweight vehicles) until you research a solution to a tire material that isn’t harmful (which is being worked on I think). Busses mitigate a dozen or two cars. Local rail mitigates a few busses and a few hundred cars. Essentially, personal vehicles should be small and lightweight, and essential mass transit or city services should be large enough to serve an entire area.

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup.

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• FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  you’re going to shit when you find out sidewalks are next to streets.

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