Comment on Cities: Skylines 2 developers have noticed 'a growing tendency of toxicity in our community'

• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I absolutely agree. There’s a line between constructive criticism/feedback and toxicity, some cases are obvious but others I don’t know where exactly to draw it.

  Unfortunately, I don’t know where to strike a good balance to avoid both an "echo chamber where any dissent is extinguished’, and a ‘cesspool of toxic jerks talking ironically’.

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh, for game-released-in-a-disappointing state there’s always two points for me:

    1. A personal thing, learn to not buy day 1 or even before. Let other people do that, then avoid ever putting yourself in a frustrated position by simply never buying the broken/unfinished game to begin with. Money - and time - better spent on other hobbies, or well, other games.
    2. On a specific level, I always feel that just saying “I’m sorry, but because of X, Y and Z I don’t feel like the game is in any shape to be worth the money asked” and then refunding it is the only real proper feedback to go about it. Voice your reasoning, then undo the purchase to withhold the money. That’s more than enough brain space wasted on an unfinished game you’re not enjoying, anyways.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Those that aren’t interested in the game after being let down may be best advised to refund and move on with their life.

    It’s okay to hold a company responsible for the sale of a poor product. You don’t have to give them a free pass and just go away.

    You can let them know what they did wrong, and if they’re smart, they won’t do the same wrong thing again, the next time they sell their next product.

    And any human being on the planet, when they are not listened to, will become upset and rude. The point is for any company to strive for the win-win, and listen to their customers, and not just try to sell them the next bad product and repeat the same bad cycle.

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For sure. I might have weasel-worded my comment with “may be best advised” as it’s not all cases.

      Toxicity is unhealthy, but I am optimistic it will become less so once CO and Paradox follow through on their promises.

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    • Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For some reason people seem to experience the most rage, vocalization frustration, etc. when it comes to having their entertainment fucked with (whether pricing, content itself, etc). Companies can cause global recession or market crashes, be responsible for child labor resulting in death and dismemberment, or engage in flat out fraud, but those companies will never bring out the toxicity, death threats, entitlement, and communal anger like a video game or film/tv company that impacts the entertainment of the masses. When people used to think of the most evil company in America back in the early 2010’s, EA was more hated than Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or AIG. That never made sense to me.

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      • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        For some reason people seem to experience the most rage, vocalization frustration, etc. when it comes to having their entertainment fucked with (whether pricing, content itself, etc).

        You should never fuck around with the plebs ‘bread and circuses’, especially if your government is not doing well.

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• pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Toxic” is different to everyone though. That’s why these comment sections always go in circles. To some people saying “paradox has no respect for us and is ripping us off by using us as beta testers,” is toxic to some. And to others it is seen as constructive criticism. So when someone says “this community is toxic”. I don’t really know what they’re saying. “Toxic” has just become a lazy buzz word that makes discussing this kind of thing pointless.

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