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magnetosphere@kbin.social 5 months ago
Manager’s and a group of doctor’s POV: you are a nurse and it’s your job and duty to do that.
They’re completely right. If you disagree strongly enough, the only honorable thing you can do is quit. You are not making any kind of statement, or being “rebellious”, by insisting on doing a half-assed job. You’re simply being dishonest and providing inadequate care.
Nurses are overworked and spread too thin, but that’s not something your current behavior will fix, or even protest.
Plus, we know better than him what’s good for him.
They should. That’s their job, and what they went to school for. It is not a nurse’s place to override their decisions (except in emergencies, of course). That’s what you signed up for when you took the job. Hell, listening to your boss is a basic requirement of most jobs, healthcare or otherwise. That’s Employment 101.
Patients are often stubborn, ignorant, and it’s possible that several of them wouldn’t be in the hospital in the first place if they took their health seriously.
If you take someone’s autonomy so seriously that you’re willing to respect and tolerate their “bad choices”, that’s perfectly fine, but nursing is by no means the right job for you. It’s not the mindset that upsets me - it’s that you’re working in the worst, least compatible field possible. I hope you’re able to find something else soon.
vestmoria@linux.community 5 months ago
magnetosphere@kbin.social 5 months ago
None! I just know it’s tough and a huge responsibility.
Bahalex@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This reply seems like management/ hr reply… just as salty as op.
It’s so perfectly fine to respect someone’s autonomy there is a form they can sign- refusal of care. Explain the situation, sign form or take meds. Or, here’s another form- and there is the door. Forcing anything on a competent adult is battery I believe, no matter how beneficial.
Like OP said, chart and move on.
People are weird and react weird to some people. Ask another nurse to try, or ask to swap patients.
Also, sometimes nurses do know better. They see the patient as a whole, and a lot more than the doctor.
Also x2, managers are there mostly in a non medical (and non union) capacity, but to make sure the hospital runs as profitably as possible.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This is definitely not a manager or HR reply this reads like a reply from a fellow nurse or doctor.
This is not the field to fuck around and provide inadequate care in. This is a field with lives literally at stake and there is no room for people who don’t take that seriously. Full stop.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 5 months ago
A doctor! You compliment me, sir. My family would be so proud!
Nah, I’ve just been a patient a few times, and think that people should do the job that they’ve agreed to do, especially when lives are at stake. I agree with you completely.
meekah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
what is a nurse supposed to do in case a patient does not want to take the medication though?
magnetosphere@kbin.social 5 months ago
Yeah, I am salty. Some nurses are antivaxxers, ffs. People look to them for their “expertise”, but nurses often have little or no medical education, and some don’t even accept proven medical science. I have no doubt that a few nurses have helped kill people, by reinforcing their bad decisions and ignorance.
If a nurse knows more about a patient than a doctor, then have a conversation with the doctor. Don’t just roll your eyes and let the doctor keep making decisions that aren’t helping the patient. A lot of hospital accidents because of poor communication. Don’t perpetuate the problem.
Yeah, the healthcare for profit system is fucked. That doesn’t address the core issue, though, which is a nurse giving themselves permission to ignore management/experts and do their job poorly.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 months ago
They didn’t say force them to take the medicine. Just make sure they do. No one’s autonomy is being taken.
meekah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“making sure they do” is the same as “forcing them” if the patient doesn’t want to.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 months ago
They are not the same at all. OP said they want to write that they left the pill with the patient. Make sure they take it. Don’t assume they will.