Comment on Employees Say ‘Sizable Portion’ Of Gearbox-Owned Studio Has Been Laid Off

• Denalduh@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sorry you’re getting downvoted for being correct. I went to school for game design and decided to change career paths when I found out everything is contract work. Once a game is finished, you’re out of a job and need to search for another studio to work for.

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  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exactly. When they don’t need X amount of people they clear the seats.

    Production ramps up for a new game, and they fill those seats again.

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  • MudMan@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it was all contract work it'd be better, probably. Devs would have representation, like actors or film directors, and they'd sign up for a project at a premium in the understanding that they're getting paid for the downtime after the project ends.

    The kinda shitty part is that everybody is a full time employee but you still get frequent layoffs after projects end. That's the worst of both worlds, especially in the US where there are basically zero mandatory protections. In places with actual labor regulations it's... kinda expensive and self-defeating.

    It is true that the layoffs get reported but the hires do not, so a lot of devs get rehired fairly quickly or start new projects and studios, so it always seems like there are devs getting kicked to the curb when there's a baseline of churn and cycling. That said, 2023 has been a very, very, very shitty year for the games industry for a number of reasons. Which sucks, because it's been a great year for games themselves.

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    • AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The kinda shitty part is that everybody is a full time employee but you still get frequent layoffs after projects end. That’s the worst of both worlds, especially in the US where there are basically zero mandatory protections. In places with actual labor regulations it’s… kinda expensive and self-defeating.

      Something like 60% of EA employees live outside the U.S.A.

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      • MudMan@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes.

        My point stands.

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• Fandangalo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not as much. GaaS is the predominant model, and you make more on the LiveOps side than the launch recoup period.

  Source: Developer of 10 years, x-Director at 200 person company.

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• Vlyn@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s simply not true, projects are usually done in stages. You got pre-production, production, testing, launch, post-production, …

  So take an employee who mainly works in pre-production. Based on what you said they’d be laid off after everything is done and production starts, right? But that’s not how it works. Those people immediately start with the pre-production work of either the next project, or the DLCs for the current one.

  There’s always more to do, after launch of a game you can’t have your developers sit around idle, you need the next project already prepared and ready to go. That’s why game DLCs sometimes release only months after launch, they have been worked on for a while.

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  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Interesting. Tell that to everyone that’s been laid off the past six months.

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    • Vlyn@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What has that to do with this argument? The lay-offs in the last six months were mostly due to massive overhiring while money lending was cheap. Now interest rates are up and those companies are trying to keep their profits up (or become profitable in the first place).

      And the thing is: They hired so many people, even with the lay-offs the headcount is still higher than it was a few years ago.

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      • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So what you’re saying is they laid off people when they didn’t need them.

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