Comment on Hertz 180: Rental giant to sell 20,000 EVs and replace them with gas-powered vehicles

HisNoodlyServant@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• healthetank@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  EVs make a difference for anyone in an area with low density. I live in the country relatively close to population centres, but it’s impossible for me to ever imagine transit being even near me.

  We will literally always have a need for small, individual vehicles of some kind for most the population. If we could reduce that to one car, then supplement with transit, where available, or carpooling? Then also make that car an EV instead of ICE? That’s a huge emissions reduction

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• Thevenin@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Mass transit is the only way that is sustainable

  EVs cut lifecycle emissions to about 45%. [UCS][ANL][MIT][IEA]

  Public transit cuts lifecycle emissions to… about 45%. [IEA][AFDC][USDOT]

  Neither is a magic bullet. Both get their asses kicked by bicyles. Both get better with increased passengers per vehicle. Both can be fueled with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both can be manufactured with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both take surprisingly equivalent amounts of steel, aluminum, and glass.

  Public transit offers unique advantages from an urbanist perspective and the liveability of cities, but that’s objectively different from sustainability.

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• Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They are not a scam in general, though one could easily say that about Tesla. The reality is we need both EVs and mass transit. The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap. You are not going to have a good bus or train infrastructure tomorrow, but if you’re car shits the bed tomorrow you can get an EV. Plus there are always going to be a need for some people to have cars, and going electric is better even after manufacturing factors are taken into account. Think fleet vehicles and people that require a lot of tools and supplies for their job.

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  • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap.

    I’d say yeah, walk and chew gum at the same time. On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live? Did the government pass resolutions to start procuring buses?

    I have the feeling that these days with today’s media and everyone focusing on “owning the moment”, something like better public transit is either happening right now, or will never happen until those in power get replaced.

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    • Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live?

      Funny you should mention that. My city just made a lane on a major thoroughfare bus only and put a express bus to downtown Seattle that uses that lane. The regional transit system is also expanding light rail quite a bit here, so not is happening. It just takes time. The light rail has been almost a decade in the making.

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      • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Great news!

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