Comment on Putin too, for some reason
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 1 hour agoIdeally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out (with a smooth transition of government garanteed).
It seems like such an important and obvious forethought. I can’t imagine how any of these communist countries missed on that.
I keep thinking back to animal farm. The temptation of power must be very intoxicating.
It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse.
Communism with American characteristics.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I think communist societies do have thier own conception of democracy… It’s very complicated though (from what I can tell).
Having lived under Capitalism my whole life, I feel under cooked on this myself. I couldn’t tell you much other than I know the Chinese have the five year Plenary session, opposition parties within the communism party, and systems of local provential governments that compete on resolving social problems.
Vietnam has a shit load of unions.
So there’s mass participation in these systems… Maybe that’s part of why they’re still around.
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 52 minutes ago
To be fair parties themselves aren’t monoliths. I like Hu jintao’s politics a lot more than I like Xi pings. But as far I’ve seen with any communist state, they’ve always banned other parties defacto or dejure. And they did in the initial years not recently.
USSR, PRC, PRV, DPRK.
Having multiple parties allows for two important things: accountability and representation. Despite me disagreeing with someone’s politics I’d still want them to have some sort of representation. But it’s accountability that matters more to me.
The aforementioned governments do have accountability in whether the keys of power and people support them or not. But it’s a far less direct form than in an actual democracy and usually very proportionally disbalanced in the favor of the keys (ministers, army, or corporations).
But this is from my own rudimentary understanding of how it.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 5 minutes ago
Yeah, governments and democratic structures are a little over my head. I think ultimately it’s a question of participation, belonging, and empowerment.
But I have no idea how to design a system that guarantees those things… And the education system has enough trouble getting people to understand democracy, let alone going beyond that.
I’m very confused on whether the keys to power system comes from the representative part of it being a representative democracy (single representatives needing key allies along the way), or whether it comes from the Capitalist self-interested parts, money in government, or whether it should be formalized into the system… Or whether eradicating it via looking at a direct participatory government run by a rotation of volunteers anyone could join would be better… Or some sort of block chain encrypted system… It all gets complicated pretty quick.
Not to mention it’s really NOT up for discussion/change at the best of times. So it seems we’re just locked into this slow moving system until it breaks down too much, and the cracks are showing as corporations get bigger and bigger.
Oh well, maybe someone will release a meaningful patch soon.