Comment on Im not conservative enough to be a liberal
zoloftt@lemmy.world 1 day agoI swear. You get on the Internet and people just want to be angry and espouse their views without understanding what they’ve read in the first place.
I explained what I believe the reasoning behind the parent comment is. Nothing more. I’m not stating my personal belief or understanding of the word.
I KNOW what a liberal is by definition. It’s NOT USED THAT WAY in the USA common discourse.
People talking about their progressive circles and how the weird “liberal” gets used are missing my point too. I’m not talking about correct usage, I’m taking about common usage. The news, day to day conversation with people outside your bubble.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What you refer to as the common usage in the UD is not common amongst anyone but ignorant conservatives. I clarified that for you.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 14 hours ago
It’s been used that way for over a century if you look up articles like social liberalism which will explain to you that in that terminology, things like access to affordable healthcare and education are actually important because it’s liberalism as in liberties of the individuals living in said society, not liberties of corporations.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I see your point and I agree for the most part.
Liberty means very different things to different people and in many cases liberty as it is understood in the US is not compatible with social liberalism. Most conservatives, for example, view it as freedom from the government and rules. Imposing something like universal healthcare would be taking away their liberties and choice.
zoloftt@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Are all Dems conservative in your view then? Or did you mean something else by this?
The news, co-workers, and people I’ve talked to our and about in the 5 different states I’ve lived out regularly visit use it to mean ANYTHING “left”.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yes, that is very common usage of the word for ignorant conservatives. I lived for five years on SE rural Idaho and liberal there was an insult.
I grew up in Seattle and there liberal wasn’t an insult because most people knew what it actually means.
So essentially liberal is a bad word for progressives who view them as fake for a number of reasons and conservatives who don’t understand what the word means but dislike it because they were told it was bad word.
Most Democratic people are conservative and would be considered traditionally liberal. The strict definition of liberal is rooted in classical liberalism, emphasizing individual rights, democracy, a secular state, and free-market capitalism with limited government interference.
zoloftt@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Ok, and I’m not talking about whether it’s an insult or not? You are spending a lot of time trying to explain the word to me. I know what it means, I know how it’s used by various groups. I know a lot of Dems are true Liberals or neo-libs.
I’m talking about whether or not people treat it as a synonym for “left” or “progressive”. A lot of the USA does! Not just conservatives. Just normal everyday people who do not live in philosophical circles.
I’ve lived in Cali, New Mexico, various parts of Texas, Colorado and regularly visit Michigan and parts of the East Coast.
Aside from my Progressive friends that are trying to start a commune in Detroit, no one else uses the word “liberal” by definition. The Detroit commune even uses the word “liberal” when they are talking to “normies” because explaining socialism to others is HARD.