Comment on Burnham signals support for bill to make ‘Black English’ and ‘Asian English’ census options
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 2 days agoNo. The ethnicity is “white”. No idea about the other one.
In the census, the race was simply “white British, white Irish, white other” and “black British, black carribean, black african” for example.
Yes. You’re very wrong.
Within the “White” ethnic group, 74.4% (44.4 million) of usual residents in England and Wales identified their ethnic group as “English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British”. This was a decrease from 80.5% (45.1 million) in 2011, and a continued decrease from 2001, when 87.5% (45.5 million) identified as “White: British”.
…and this shows the census before (2001) and the census after (2011), after a bunch of bnp proto-ukippy knobs had cried enough to try and get “English” added to sub-options for “ethnic group”.
Also, “Ethnic group” is still not the same as “Race”.
I’m sure I’ve only ever seen this argument once before, and I’m now suspecting it was probably from you.
Remind me… How is English not an ethnicity?
How can you have only seen this argument once before if “bnp proto-ukippy knobs” were crying about it three decades ago? Good to hear someone else has corrected you on Lemmy tho, you’re disingenuous.
Sorry, I missed this before - apologies, I wasn’t clear enough - I meant “I’ve only seen one person shout about this on Lemmy” like within the last year or so.
It was from when the UKIP/Reform types were all wetting their nappies because Rishi Sunak had referred to himself as English.
My apologies - it seemingly wasn’t you who was shouting about this, it was someone with a different username, who seemingly got banned about 5 months ago for being a racist/paedo/traitor/russian-spam-factory or whatever etc.
British is a Nationality. English is a sub-nationality. If Britain separated into England/Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland, then “English” would be the nationality of people born in the “England” bit.
The ethnicity bit is “white” or perhaps “European” or “caucasian”.
There’s no solitary English “ethnicity”.
For example, a chap whose family have lived in the North East for 500 years have a lot more “ethnically” in common with someone from Scandinavia than with someone from the South of England - but in the larger scale of things they’re both “white”.
Anyway, I very much doubt we’ll ever agree on this, so I’ll leave you to it.
I mean you pretty much said it yourself, the census says “White: English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British”. It doesn’t differentiate between these groups. One of them is literally 3 of them stuck together.
idealism_nearby@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Even the concept of a “white” ethnic group is a recent one. It wasn’t that long ago, all southern and eastern Europeans would not be considered “white”. Or more specifically, would not be considered the in-group of western civilisation. Which is the definition that “white” serves in the modern day.
It simply doesn’t exist.