Comment on New ‘Star Trek’ Movie in the Works at Paramount from ‘Andor’ Director

• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Rogue One and Andor are liked by people who don’t like Star Wars.

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  • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The only Star Wars fans I've heard dislike Rogue One are the ones who only like Star Wars cause it's easy to complain about it and actually have people listen to you.

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    • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The problems started with Gareth Edwards who so totally fucked everything up, he got removed and Tony Gilroy had to be brought in to salvage it.

      ew.com/movies/…/rogue-one-reshoots-tony-gilroy/

      But, in re-writing and re-shooting, he fucked it up more.

      Andor introduced by killing a dude in cold blood? That was Gilroy. Andor being conflicted and unable to take the shot on a legitimate military target? That was Edwards.

      So you have this mish-mash of conflicting story beats, but most fans ignore it because YEEE-HAW! VADER HALLWAY FIGHT! Ignoring that he force grabs literally everyone and every thing in the hallway… except the one thing he’s there for, because the plans HAVE TO get away.

      So they show Vader watching the blockade runner fly away, contradicting the classic opening of Star Wars… which Gilroy would have known if he had been a fan.

       “I had no reverence for it whatsoever,” he said. “It doesn’t appeal to me, but I don’t think Rogue really is a Star Wars movie in many ways,” he added. “To me, it’s a Battle of Britain movie.”

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      • TheMongoose@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Andor introduced by killing a dude in cold blood? That was Gilroy. Andor being conflicted and unable to take the shot on a legitimate military target? That was Edwards.

        So you have this mish-mash of conflicting story beats,

        Or... character development. He's grown up in the Rebellion, he's OK with killing people in cold blood if he has to as long as he can justify it as hurting the Empire. Then he meets Jyn and Chirrut and Baze and he is forced to question his whole philosophy. He's been ordered to kill Galen Erso, but only unofficially, after being told to bring him in alive. He's gotten to know Jyn and knows what killing her father will do to her. He's starting to see him as a person instead of just another Imperial target. So he hesitates.

        God, in my opinion Rogue One is arguably the best Star Wars film, and if not, it's a close second behind Empire.

        And Andor just expands on the fact that it's a whole galaxy of potential stories, it doesn't just have to be about lightsabers and space wizards called Skywalker.

        Yes, there seems to have been some behind the scenes decisions taken, and the whole film gave me a slightly different vibe to the original trailer. Would I love to see Gareth Edwards's original cut of the film? Hell yes. Do I think Disney is taking the franchise in the Marvel "let's make safe and less interesting popcorn entertainment rather than push the envelope and see what we can do with this universe" direction? Also yes.

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  • maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lol … no.

    Are we traitors of the empire now? Are you going to take us in to be punished for improper thoughts?

    You don’t have to like those things.

    But telling us what we do and don’t like?! That’s rubbish my friend.

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    • TheRaven@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve watched every movie, and every tv show. I’ve read every comic, and 60% of the books. And I love them. But you know why I’m not a Star Wars fan? I love Rogue One.

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  • TheRaven@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Them and all the Star Wars fans I hear from.

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  • ClockworkN@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ಠ_ಠ

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  • machinin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you say “Star Wars,” do you mean everything after the original trilogy? I just can’t imagine this comment making sense otherwise.

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