Lies don’t always hurt people. Most lies we tell help maintain our society. Like not insulting grandmas cooking.
See the roadblock you are hitting is you think I’m “lies are never wrong!”
Pooping isn’t right or wrong. It’s something we have to do tho. That doesn’t mean you should shit ON people. It means you are going to shit it’s natural and normal. There is a time and place for it.
Same with hitting. Hitting isn’t inherently good or bad. We hit nails with hammers, we hit people when attacked. The reason is either good or bad. Hitting is nutral. We hit things all day every day.
Cheating your partner also doesn’t hurt them for as long as they don’t find out.
Telling white lies indicates that you consider yourself to be a better judge of the other person’s ability to handle uncomfortable information. You’re treating them as emotionally immature person who needs to be sheltered from the real world like a child.
Here’s a simple queston: in what situation would you want to be lied to?
Cheating on you’re partner is wrong. That’s the wrong thing in that situation. I’ve never cheated on anyone.
“Telling white lies indicates-“ it really doesn’t. When a baby fake cries it isn’t being mean. It isn’t judging someone’s else’s maturity.
Everyone is constantly sheltered from the real world. We shelter ourselves with something called “society”. We flat out made up civilization. We maintain it partially by lying.
Emotional maturity. Let me ask you this: you are at thanksgiving with the entire family. Grandma asks you how the turkey was. You say in front of the hole family “I hated it”. Would youre family be proud of you? Would grandma be happy you valued her enough to tell her the truth? Or would the whole table look at you like a monster?
What situation would I like to be lied to in?
Well you mentioned Anne frank. Let’s go back there because there is a part in the book with a funeral.
The parents tell all the kids a family member died and all the kids are sad. Anne looks into the coffin to find it’s empty. The family lied to her. She was hurt. Then soldiers come in to question them. All the other kids didn’t realize there was a problem because they thought they were at a real funeral. Anne was scared because she knew the truth and now had to hide it.
In that situation I’d rather not know.
Another personal example. My ex wife and I lived in the same small town. I was a district manager for dollar tree. My exwife was around town and heard two of my managers complaining about a task I had asked them to do. They were talking shit essentially.
She shouldn’t have told me. They didn’t say anything that I needed to worry about, they weren’t confused about the task, it didn’t happen at work… there was nothing I needed to do with that information. People complain about thier boss after work sometimes. That’s natural.
I wish she hadn’t told me because there was nothing for me to say or do, nothing actionable with that information. She just wanted me to know they were talking shit to try an upset me.
So let me ask you this: was her telling me the useless information just to hurt me ethical? Would keeping it to herself be less ethical? Should my employees tell me everyday I’m there that working is hard and it would be easier if I don’t give them tasks? Would that honesty help anyone? Should I pull them aside and tell them I don’t like it when they complain about me outside of work? Should I tell them my ex wife is nosey and crazy?
Hearing that doesn’t mean much when it comes from someone who just wrote a wall of text declaring how you’re willing to lie when that can prevent you or someone else feeling uncomfortable emotions.
Aeao@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Sometimes hitting people is necessary, correct.
Lies don’t always hurt people. Most lies we tell help maintain our society. Like not insulting grandmas cooking.
See the roadblock you are hitting is you think I’m “lies are never wrong!”
Pooping isn’t right or wrong. It’s something we have to do tho. That doesn’t mean you should shit ON people. It means you are going to shit it’s natural and normal. There is a time and place for it.
Same with hitting. Hitting isn’t inherently good or bad. We hit nails with hammers, we hit people when attacked. The reason is either good or bad. Hitting is nutral. We hit things all day every day.
Fallibilist@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
Cheating your partner also doesn’t hurt them for as long as they don’t find out.
Telling white lies indicates that you consider yourself to be a better judge of the other person’s ability to handle uncomfortable information. You’re treating them as emotionally immature person who needs to be sheltered from the real world like a child.
Here’s a simple queston: in what situation would you want to be lied to?
Aeao@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Cheating on you’re partner is wrong. That’s the wrong thing in that situation. I’ve never cheated on anyone.
“Telling white lies indicates-“ it really doesn’t. When a baby fake cries it isn’t being mean. It isn’t judging someone’s else’s maturity.
Everyone is constantly sheltered from the real world. We shelter ourselves with something called “society”. We flat out made up civilization. We maintain it partially by lying.
Emotional maturity. Let me ask you this: you are at thanksgiving with the entire family. Grandma asks you how the turkey was. You say in front of the hole family “I hated it”. Would youre family be proud of you? Would grandma be happy you valued her enough to tell her the truth? Or would the whole table look at you like a monster?
What situation would I like to be lied to in?
Well you mentioned Anne frank. Let’s go back there because there is a part in the book with a funeral.
The parents tell all the kids a family member died and all the kids are sad. Anne looks into the coffin to find it’s empty. The family lied to her. She was hurt. Then soldiers come in to question them. All the other kids didn’t realize there was a problem because they thought they were at a real funeral. Anne was scared because she knew the truth and now had to hide it.
In that situation I’d rather not know.
Another personal example. My ex wife and I lived in the same small town. I was a district manager for dollar tree. My exwife was around town and heard two of my managers complaining about a task I had asked them to do. They were talking shit essentially.
She shouldn’t have told me. They didn’t say anything that I needed to worry about, they weren’t confused about the task, it didn’t happen at work… there was nothing I needed to do with that information. People complain about thier boss after work sometimes. That’s natural.
I wish she hadn’t told me because there was nothing for me to say or do, nothing actionable with that information. She just wanted me to know they were talking shit to try an upset me.
So let me ask you this: was her telling me the useless information just to hurt me ethical? Would keeping it to herself be less ethical? Should my employees tell me everyday I’m there that working is hard and it would be easier if I don’t give them tasks? Would that honesty help anyone? Should I pull them aside and tell them I don’t like it when they complain about me outside of work? Should I tell them my ex wife is nosey and crazy?
Who need to know what?
Fallibilist@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
Hearing that doesn’t mean much when it comes from someone who just wrote a wall of text declaring how you’re willing to lie when that can prevent you or someone else feeling uncomfortable emotions.
That’s the point: liars can’t be trusted.