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• HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  OK you’re saying the higher resistance of the steel is needed for adequate heat. Got it

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  • mirshafie@europe.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Because we’re working with AC, we need a small skin effect, which is given by the inverse square root of [pifrequencypermeability*conductivity]. It’s permeability that’s going to be the deciding factor here, because all metals have reasonably similar conductivity but ferromagnetic materials have four orders of magnitude higher permeability.

    This also means that steel which is not ferromagnetic will not work on an induction stovetop. The stove will detect it and the chip will reject the pan to prevent damage to the coils.

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  • Crozekiel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No, I am saying the pan has to be magnetic, which is what I have said 3 times now. You are completely wrong about how induction cooking works.

    Heat from eddy currents is a small fraction of what magnetic hysteresis can produce. You can technically heat any good conductor with eddy currents alone if it is non-magnetic, but the equipment needed is significantly more complex and power hungry than induction cooking hobs.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re wrong too, what on Earth does hysteresis have to do with heating??

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      • Crozekiel@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Here are the results of a quick internet search explaining it from various sources.

        Also, if you just look at the FAQ or owners manuals for any induction cooktop out there, they will all tell you the pans have to be magnetic to function. Not “for best performance”, to function at all.

        It really sounds like you are thinking exclusively of induction forges, which can heat non-magnetic materials. Induction cooking hobs absolutely cannot heat non-magnetic materials to any noticeable or useful degree, they do not have the frequency range or the power for eddy currents alone to be sufficient. Induction forges on the other hand HAVE TO have the power to heat with just eddy currents because if you heat iron or steel up to glowing, it loses magnetism (and the heating slows significantly past that point).

        kindle-tech.com/…/what-materials-can-be-induction…

        Ferrous metals (like iron, nickel, and cobalt) have an additional, more powerful source of heat.

        These materials are composed of small magnetic regions called domains. The alternating magnetic field from the induction coil causes these domains to rapidly flip their polarity, billions of times per second.

        This rapid flipping creates immense internal friction, which generates significant heat. This hysteresis effect is what makes ferrous metals heat so much more quickly and efficiently than their non-ferrous counterparts.

        axiomht.com/…/how-does-induction-heating-work/

        In ferromagnetic materials like iron and steel, a second heating mechanism kicks in.

        As the alternating magnetic field repeatedly reverses the magnetic domains within the material, the friction generates additional heat known as hysteresis losses. This effect disappears once the material crosses its Curie temperature (around 770°C for steel), at which point ferromagnetic properties are lost. Above that point, eddy currents carry the full heating load. For industrial heat treatment of carbon steel, both effects work together in the lower temperature ranges, delivering faster heating rates.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating

        In ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic materials, such as iron, heat is also generated by magnetic hysteresis losses.

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