Comment on Lawful evil
Leonardo_da_Vinci@lemmy.world 17 hours agoClient does not need to be aware of how much each worker in the chain earns. He is aware of the price he is buying the food.
Same as delivery guy is aware of money he gets from the job. If he doesn’t like the money, he should not take the job. Tips are totally optional bonus.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 14 hours ago
A client is the person a contractor works for. The only client involved is the service itself, as the driver is a contractor.
The person making the purchase is a customer, not a client.
Ideally, you would be right. The customer should not be involved in the business relationship between the driver and the service. However, this is quite obviously not an ideal situation.
With employed waitstaff, tips are, technically, a bonus. A waitress who does not receive enough tips to put herself over minimum wage is entitled to extra pay to reach that point. Legally, this waitress is “adequately” compensated for her time, regardless of tips.
Unlike employed waitstaff, there is no provision to ensure this driver is compensated for their labor. There is no provision to ensure they are reimbursed for their actual expenses. The driver is often asked to subsidize certain customers, by accepting compensation that is less than minimum wage, and even at less than actual cost. They are often asked to pay to work.
The services have found a legal loophole to evade minimum wage protections, and they are using it to exploit drivers.
The customer benefits from this arrangement. The customer is thus complicit in the exploitation. Ignorance does not negate their complicity.
You should also know that if you do tip well, the services reduce their base pay further, effectively capturing part of your tip to the driver. They are exploiting you, too.
Again, nobody should be using these services. They are bad for everyone. The only ethical way to use them is to tip sufficiently to ensure the driver’s pay exceeds minimum wage.
MBech@feddit.dk 8 hours ago
I’m from Europe, so please explain, if workers don’t make any money, why the hell are they working in the first place?
Seems stupid to keep working if you end up paying for the pleasure.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
They make money… When a customer tips. The tip is, effectively, the only money they actually make. It’s not how it should be, but it is how it actually is.
When every customer tips well, and nobody introduces delays to slow your hustle, it’s a fairly lucrative job. When customers think tips are “optional” and stores don’t actually start working on an order until you arrive, it’s a shit job.
It’s pretty much the same for our employed waitstaff. Your tips are paid out to you on the day you earn them. Your base wages are paid out weekly or biweekly. You keep 100% of your tips, but your employer is required to withhold income taxes from your base pay. If you make enough in tips, withholding is all of your base pay. You receive a pay stub where nearly 100% of your pay has been withheld and sent to the IRS for income taxes. Tips are, effectively, the only money you actually take home.
jj4211@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This may be the reality, but in theory the answer is for people to say “fuck working for these asshats if we are stuck at the mercy of caprcious users tipping”.
I would argue there is no ethical way to use them.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
You don’t have to convince me. I agree with you. These services are profoundly scummy and exploitative. They are almost as greedy as employers have become with your time.