Yeah, it sucks. They won’t wake up until they find themselves marching alongside One Nation and worse chanting support for Putin’s genocide. Perhaps not even then. They are the only environment, climate, social justice party of any substance and experience and they are still well worth a vote but they are stupidly naive on some issues. They need a long sit down with the German greens and a frank talk about Putin and Afd.
Comment on The Greens’ defence red lines: No weapons for Ukraine, curtail the US alliance
Seagoon_@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Really? No support for Ukraine?
They ally themselves with Trump’s main ally.
Will never vote Greens again.
shirro@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
They won’t wake up until they find themselves marching alongside One Nation and worse chanting support for Putin’s genocide.
The Greens are against all arms trade in general. They do support other aid to Ukraine, and support tougher sanctions on Russia and Russia’s allies.
None of that is “marching alongside One Nation”. The Greens have a pacifist policy - one might say naively pacifist - but it’s the opposite policy of Pauline Hanson’s One Neuron, who want to give away Australian land to US arms manufacturers.
budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
They are against all arms trade in general. They do support other aid to Ukraine, and support tougher sanctions on Russia and Russia’s allies.
As usual, Greens have a nuanced policy of which one detail is being cherry picked by media to make them seem like they have an unpopular position.
dockedatthewrongworf@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Respectfully I disagree. These are as far as I can tell Shoebridge’s own words. A barrister and seasoned politician, who is familiar with the media landscape. This isn’t a case of the media cherry picking. Up to 70% of Australians support military aid for Ukraine so the reason that this is being reported on is because it’s not in-line with mainstream Australian views.
Honestly the argument that we should only provide aid if a UN Security council resolution is passed is weak. It would be like only ratifying Palestinian statehood if we first asked the US/Israel for permission.
budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
If focusing on the most unpopular single thing he said isn’t cherry picking, what is?
Most Greens leaders are experienced politicians but they all seem fall into this pattern, even though they should see it coming. Left-leaning-leaders in general make the mistake of getting bogged down on an ethical position (no arms trade) that has minimal effect on the grand scheme of things (Australia has hardly any weapons industry compared to most European countries) and letting it turn people off their party rather than considering the realpolitik effect on the popular vote.