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Comment on Christa Pike at 18 years old when she was sentenced to death. She is now 50 and they are supposed to kill her this week

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GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

although I agree with most of what you say, death penalties are important to reduce the impact to taxpayer dollars.

no reason to continue rehabilitating a prisoner who is going to spend life in prison for brutally raping a 5 year old. just remove them from the world and move on.

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bertlewirth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Nope

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- GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  source from your source is limited in scope.
  
  FROM AN ANALYSIS OF THE ECONOMIC COSTS OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IN OKLAHOMA, PREPARED FOR THE OKLAHOMA DEATH PENALTY REVIEW COMMISSION, 2017
  
  your source is also clearly biased.
  
  The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization providing the media, policymakers, and the general public with data and analysis on issues concerning capital punishment and the people it affects. For more than 30 years, DPI has been the preeminent national resource for timely and trustworthy information about the death penalty. DPI does not take a position on the death penalty itself but is critical of problems in its application.
  
  Founded in 1990, DPI promotes insightful discourse on the death penalty by curating and presenting expansive, authoritative data from credible sources and offering clear, reliable, and timely information and research about the history and current application of the death penalty. DPI’s careful tracking and analysis of death sentences, executions, legislation, and newsworthy events provides critical context to inform meaningful public debate and sound policy decisions.
  
  meaning the information they provide is forthright and true but their delivery of which is curated and formulated to strengthen their position.
  
  it’s clear what their position is once you read a handful of their articles, and they are free to hold that position. however, it’s not okay to use them as a definitive source of truth when arguing a point because they obviously have an agenda.
  
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Leviathan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Even if it was true, which it isn’t, fuck taxpayer dollars. You don’t give your government the power to murder its citizens to save some money.

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- GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  You don’t give your government the power to murder its citizens to save some money.
  
  you clearly haven’t been paying attention to government spending for the last century.
  
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  - AcesFullOfKings@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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    GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    ah yes. let’s try to rehabilitate the mass rapist murderers that have dozens of victims.
    
    yeah, we can fix them!
    
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peacepath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Countries who droped penal death have seen the number of terrible crimes reducing. I don’t think there is a single example where their number have grown. There are hypothesis to explain it.

Also, the only way to prevent a large abuse of penal death is to keep convicted offenders in jail for a long time before their execution ; which negate the economical argument. It was not acceptable on a moral point of view, but it is not even cheaper.

Something costy and not efficient should be replaced by something cheaper and more efficient. Especially when the second is better on a moral point of view.

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- GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Countries who droped penal death have seen the number of terrible crimes reducing.
  
  countries who dropped penal death convictions are more likely to have early intervention programs because their government is focused on social benefits over corporate profits.
  
  just because they have banned death penalties does not mean that it reduced “terrible crimes”.
  
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  - peacepath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You are right that nothing proves that droping penal death reduces the crimes. There could be no link between both, it could be a pure coincidence happening in the hundred countries droping it.
    
    Also, and despite a constant populist pressure in each of this countries, very few have reintroduced it (and most of them fastly droped it back again).
    
    Of course, some may have droped it out of diplomatic pressure more than for their population… but still, it brings benefices. Sorry, I mean the coincidental effect on crimes is observed ; and so at the very least droping penal death does not rise the numbers nor severity of crimes.
    
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