But it is our best effort. I don’t think even an abstract concept of justice is served by taking into account political motivation for your actions unless you apply the principle blindly. Do you think someone spraying right-wing slogans like “deport all migrants” or “traitors” or just “fuck you” on RNLI buildings should be off the hook because they think there’s an existential threat to the country from a trickle of refugees? Do you think they should be allowed to bring up those beliefs in court?
Besides assigning consequences to bad actions, justice must in the first instance be fair. I see no fair way to privilege motivations that I sympathise with (anti-Israeli-genocide) but not ones that I find detestable (anti-immigrant).
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Law in capitalist countries is not an effort towards justice, it is an effort towards protecting private property and the rights of capitalists.
boonhet@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
The law, incidentally, is also what makes it illegal for said capitalists to kill you for example. Why do you think they always want their industries deregulated, E.g when it comes to safety regulations.
Doesn’t get much better under communism either since party elites are allowed to do anything they want and enrich themselves in the process.
balsoft@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
This only limits certain actions, not killing in general. There are ways that capitalists legally kill people all the time, like by enforcing car-centric infrastructure or with climate change or by refusing necessary healthcare in privatized healthcare systems or by evicting tenants.
boonhet@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Yes, but under libertarianism that would all be legal. So I’m not sure life without laws would be all that much better than life with laws. Would give even more power to the elites.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Those laws are always temporary under capitalism, just look at the deregulation happening now in the US. Meanwhile China has gradually been improving its worker protections for almost a century, with almost no setbacks.
And speaking of China, if you are a senior party member of the CPC and you use it to enrich yourself, you get executed. As usual, accusations of communist misdeeds by capitalists are just confessions.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Who went to jail for PFOA’s?
Who went to jail after the 2008 debacle that almost crashed the world economy?
Laws in capitalistic countries protect capital. You are a fool for not understanding this.
Safety regulations are there to protect capital as well because without healthy safe workers you will not be able to run your business.
Ask yourself why safety is routed through HR in your company.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Surely you have examples of a successful transition from socialism to communism and then it’s failure, then?
boonhet@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Are you stalking me now?
No, I have no examples of a successful transition from to communism because it can’t really happen at scale with humans in charge. The “vanguard” will never relinquish control. Why would they? Someone else would take the role anyway.
Maybe one day we’ll have real AGI to handle it.