Comment on Profit over people is a failed system
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 days agoIf the natural instinct of human fucking beings was to just murder and cheat each other we would never have formed society to get into wars in the first fucking place. It takes trust and mutual aid to build society. I dont need to read your madman eugenics scrawlings about the finality of evil to disprove this. The world we live in literally would not even exist in the capacity it does if human society was built on deception instead of trust. This is factually why it is falling about now.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
Yes we would have. And we did. It was all in self-interest.
That’s just the expansion of in-groups due to expediency. Show me the society, in history or modern times, that reached the level of perfectly altruistic cosmopolitanism, inclusion, tolerance, multiculturalism, diversity, or whatever else you want to call it. Because that’s what you seem to be claiming humanity is and has been from the start.
See, I knew you would try to attribute some weird shit like that to me. Nothing I said was in support of eugenics. In fact I outright reject them as an atrocity. But if you think eugenics hasn’t featured prominently in human history, then you haven’t been paying close enough attention. And denying that reality is a disservice to all of its victims in past, present, and future.
I also said nothing about “the finality of evil.” I said it’s not the default state of humanity. I never said it can’t be our destiny. I would love to believe it is. I don’t know the future, but I certainly believe it’s possible. I feel less and less convinced as time goes on that it’s even remotely likely, at least in the next several hundred years. But I’m certain that it’s not a guarantee.
Yes it would. And I hate to break this to you, but, it is.
Yes. Finally a statement I can agree with.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 days ago
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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
I see you have nothing rational to add to the discussion.
Observing a characteristic of society is not a statement of my personal dispositions. And this is at least the third time in this short conversation that you’ve attempted to conflate the two.
It seems that in order to be a considered a good person in your view, someone has to believe that all humans are perfectly good and just beings and human society has never had a flaw worth mentioning. That’s called “toxic positivity” and ironically enough is a tool often used by fascism.
It’s the same thing as when magats deny that slavery and genocide played a prominent role in the founding of the United States. But you probably think me pointing that out is an expression of support for those atrocities, so I can’t expect you to have anything rational to say in response. I don’t know why I even try.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 days ago
This is a lot of words for “I’m sorry I sling eugenics bullshit and think most people should die”