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• hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also, never sold any data to any authorities, all the security issues came from users not paying attention to privacy settings. The stigmatisation of telegram as ‘russian messenger’, even though the team that made it and maintains it left russia a long ago, prevents this software from getting its rightly deserved popularity

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  • Kekzkrieger@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    privacy should be enabled by default and not through some hidden settings

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    • hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Telegram’s default settings are still way way better for your privacy than whatsapp which doesn’t even has any additional layer of security unlike tg

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    • lattenwald@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good privacy brings inconvenience, don’t even think this compromise could ever be avoided. Convenient WhatsApp has nothing to do with privacy, whatever their PR department might want you to think.

      This compromise is unavoidable, and every user should be forced to make the choice. Every kind of defaults is bad. Can you imagine that a messenger app that forces you to choose your place on the scale of security-convenience during onboarding process gets wide adoption? Me neither…

      Telegram defaults are very sane for common users, and they have very easy and convinient way to start a secure chat. Best available messenger app so far.

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    • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      privacy should be enabled by default and not through some hidden settings

      What’s hidden about Settings > Privacy? We’re not talking about editing some INI file or crawling through the Windows Registry here. I agree with you that some defaults can be better but claiming those are hidden is just wrong, man.

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• zikk_transport2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Telegram is in every way better. My primary reason for prefering Telegram over anything else are bots (API specifically). I mean bots functionality is so awesome that I can’t properly describe how awesome it is. <3

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  • jannis@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not better in every way. WhatsApp is encrypted by default, Telegram not.

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    • moreeni@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why tf is this downvoted if it’s true? Telegram’s own encryption is a joke, you can’t enable it in group chats or through desktop clients. There’s also part fo ToS that states you can’t use your own encryption in Telegram, which is pretty suspicious of a supposed privacy-friendly messenger

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      • Floufym@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Because it is not true. WhatsApp maybe encrypted but not if you allow apple/Google backup and there is multiple known cases of backdoor.

        And telegram is encrypted. The End to end encryptions has to be activated in 1 to 1 messaging if wanted. But, still, messages are encrypted for other messaging. Also, in my country my phone number is directly liked to my name, by law. As such, Telegram offer way more privacy and security than Signal or WhatsApp as there is the possibility to use a username and hide the phone number.

        And anyway, most of people don’t really care. Telegram is better as it offer way more features.

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  • Pechente@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People might argue you could just use Discord if you want bots but Discord is so bloated an sluggish in comparison to Telegram’s minimalist native clients for every OS (even Linux).

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    • zikk_transport2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I see Discord as a communication platform while Telegram is a chat app.

      I need chat app lol.

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• Kekzkrieger@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Telegram by default does not send end-to-end encrypted messages (only in secret chats) and thus can be considered very unsafe as the server owner can literally read all your messages.

  They give the user the impression that they are similar secure to e2e encrypted messengers but really are not since most users just start a normal chat.

  This also means that, in theory, surveillance is very possible and likely as the russians are not really to be trusted by anyone. Privacy nightmare.

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  • lattenwald@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    WhatsApp by default backs up to Google drive, which is laughably insecure.

    I don’t know how good is WhatsApp’s e2e implementation, I’ve heard good things about protocol though. But I do know Telegram protocol documentation contains all information needed to implement e2e capable Telegram client, and their e2e is really good, I’ve seen it done by my friend and as I’m a programmer and am interested in cryptography, I followed his work very closely.

    I still do not trust e2e group chats, it’s a shaky point in security protocols. There was some kerfuffle about WhatsApp being able to silently add invisible listeners to group chats, wasn’t there?

    Telegram very explicitly chooses the right amount of security and makes user aware of inconveniences this level of security brings along. WhatsApp lies in user’s face, making you think it’s secure and convenient.

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  • fushuan@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    IIRC the reason they don’t do e2e encryption is because you can access the information from the desktop without having access to the phone, you cannot do that with whatsapp, every desktop connection must pass through the phone, and that’s mighty annoying.

    Yeah, you need to trust them that they will save the data in their servers in a secure way, but they have not betrayed the users’ trust since they are running, and several people trust them.

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  • SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Telegram is owned by a person born in Russia, but has long moved out and loves in Germany, where Telegram’s HQ is located

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    • Vega@feddit.it ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Telegram is located in Dubai, where did you read about Germany?

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      • SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I swear I remeber reading Germany. I searched it, yes its in Dubai

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  • ananesiken@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even though not e2e, all messages are still encrypted in their servers. There will always be more private ways to communicate if you are paranoid about that but for a regular user like myself and many others, Telegram offers much more than you could ask, and is not affiliated with big tech.

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  • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Telegram by default does not send end-to-end encrypted messages (only in secret chats)

    When I tap the new message icon in the lower right corner, Telegram asks me which type of message I want to send. There is no default there. Maybe other clients do it differently from the main Android client but here there is no default.

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• wqzwqz@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Plus the best stickers ever.

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