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TehPers@beehaw.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Before AI, people had been advocating against the meat industry, and had pushed for reduced water usage in agriculture and homes, which led to stricter rules against lawns in drought-prone areas. It being drowned out by the advocacy against AI doesn’t mean those voices disappeared, just that there are louder voices now.

I do enjoy the classic “they’re doing bad so I can too” fallacy, though.

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apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’m confused, it seems we agree with eachother - did you mean to reply to the person I replied to, or were you just adding on to my point? :D

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- TehPers@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Just adding to your comment lol.
  
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  - its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’m hesitant to jump in here, seeing how far off the rails this went, but AI Data Centers have a plethora of problems. Potable water depletion (The Dalles, OR, USA), Exhaust (Boxtown near Memphis, TN, USA), Noise and lowering water tables (Sydeney, Australia). The issues they present over “old school” data centers are amplified because of the speed, resources, power (as in influence) that are part of the package.
    
    They are being built rapidly, with little oversight or research, and suck up enormous resources that “old school” data centers did not. Toss in the ethical concerns as wide ranging as stealing the Gibli Style to destroying books; to be normative, that tends to piss people off.
    
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Mordikan@kbin.earth ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
"they're doing bad so I can too"

I don't think you understand that the "so I can" part implies you. By virtue of even posting, YOU are pushing datacenter demand. These comments don't just live in the ether. The whole point is you are cherry picking what you are upset about based on what is trending (as you even mentioned). The point being you are MORE upset about the lesser evil, not that one is justified evil and the other isn't.

If you enjoy the Two Wrongs Make Right fallacy, then I think you'll love the Special Pleading fallacy.

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- TehPers@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  By virtue of even posting, YOU are pushing datacenter demand. These comments don’t just live in the ether.
  
  I write software for a living. There’s an enormous difference between a text-based service that functionally runs as a primitive CRUD and a compute-heavy service like LLM inferencing. The latter runs on servers that individually consume multiple kilowatts while the former can run on a raspberry pi but gains efficiency by sharing a server that consumes maybe 1kW with dozens of other people. Heck, Lemmy doesn’t even need to do video transcoding like all the toxic social media sites do.
  
  The point being you are MORE upset about the lesser evil, not that one is justified evil and the other isn’t.
  
  No, people are upset about all the evils. Being more or less upset about one or the other is irrelevant. You’re just choosing to cherry pick one thing that everyone who’s upset should ignore.
  
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  - Mordikan@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Can run on a raspberry pi and does run on a raspberry pi are two different things. I don't think raspberry pis are the solution here. I'm not cherry picking either as both are clear evils. That is the point. Current non-AI datacenters are using more power in total than AI datacenters. That may (and likely will) change, but the argument that AI datacenters are destroying the environment when the other is destroying it even more (but let's ignore that one) is moronic by nature.
    
    That by definition isn't cherry picking. It's pointing out the logical fallacy in popular thought.
    
    I work in devops. There is little difference in current overall consumption rates.
    
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