Mordikan

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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago⁩:
I'm just going to end this here with a final comment:

I know I'm not going to change your mind on this. It doesn't matter what evidence I provide, you just aren't ready to have that conversation. And that's ok.

This has never really been about you. It's been about all the others. It's about showing how while there is a lot of AI hype, there is an equal amount of anti-AI hype. Misinformation is misinformation. Doesn't matter your stance.

We have for 4 years now both simultaneously and perpetually been 3 months away from the AI bubble popping and 3 months away from AI stealing everyone's job.

So, for those that see this insane comment history, understand as well intentioned as some of these posters are, most everything they say is completely fabricated. They are just passing it along without knowing any better.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago⁩:
I'm just going to end this here with a final comment:

I know I'm not going to change your mind on this. It doesn't matter what evidence I provide, you just aren't ready to have that conversation. And that's ok.

This has never really been about you. It's been about all the others. It's about showing how while there is a lot of AI hype, there is an equal amount of anti-AI hype. Misinformation is misinformation. Doesn't matter your stance.

We have for 4 years now both simultaneously and perpetually been 3 months away from the AI bubble popping and 3 months away from AI stealing everyone's job.

So, for those that see this insane comment history, understand as well intentioned as some of these posters are, most everything they say is completely fabricated. They are just passing it along without knowing any better.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
Ok, so despite everything you said, it is NOT the environmental impact that matters. What matters (at least now) is the number of services it provides. I hate to say it but "You're just choosing to cherry pick one thing that everyone who's upset should ignore."

This is gonna sound like a broken record here but... https://kbin.earth/m/gaming@beehaw.org/t/3103626/ChatGPT-LLMs-and-Automating-the-Fun-Out-of-Roleplaying-Don-t/comment/14132956#entry-comment-14132956
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

I'm curious though, what would I have to be doing for you to believe that I'm... I dont know, "allowed"? to talk about AI's water usage impact?

I would say you are starting to approach an opposing view as treating yours as "wrong thought" when confronted. That is an absolutest method that is only ever used to justify what you think is right and vilify all else. It isn't a matter of what is "allowed". There is no restriction to that. But if you put out an idea or belief that can be deconstructed and proven incorrect/incomplete, then people have the right to speak against it.

There are lots of points you can make that are completely valid and evidentiary by nature, but AI water usage isn't one of them. It has been debunked to point that I would bucket it into the same group that "vaccines cause autism" fit into.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
Can run on a raspberry pi and does run on a raspberry pi are two different things. I don't think raspberry pis are the solution here. I'm not cherry picking either as both are clear evils. That is the point. Current non-AI datacenters are using more power in total than AI datacenters. That may (and likely will) change, but the argument that AI datacenters are destroying the environment when the other is destroying it even more (but let's ignore that one) is moronic by nature.

That by definition isn't cherry picking. It's pointing out the logical fallacy in popular thought.

I work in devops. There is little difference in current overall consumption rates.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
That is a valid point, I think. That isn't "but what about the environment" but only when convenient. That is local pricing issue which has a very direct and very trackable impact.

If a datacenter opens next door to you, the utility consumption goes up meaning your bill goes up. Unless the datacenter operators are somehow offsetting that increase financially (and that the money is actually be allocated by the city for that purpose), then there is the real impact of datacenters.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
AI datacenters do not cause drought. There is no evidence to support that claim. And if you think you do have evidence, I would love to see the source.

And you totally can contain multitudes. People should be like that. But they in practice aren't. They follow what is trending. For example, if you look through your comment history how many comments will be pertaining to the US meat industry? How many to datacenters?

I would argue that you care a great deal more about one than the other. Which, going back to my original point, why is that 1% more important than the remaining 99% (or specifically the 50% that you care so much about)?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
"they're doing bad so I can too"

I don't think you understand that the "so I can" part implies you. By virtue of even posting, YOU are pushing datacenter demand. These comments don't just live in the ether. The whole point is you are cherry picking what you are upset about based on what is trending (as you even mentioned). The point being you are MORE upset about the lesser evil, not that one is justified evil and the other isn't.

If you enjoy the Two Wrongs Make Right fallacy, then I think you'll love the Special Pleading fallacy.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
I find the environmental argument is always a weak one to make, though. CO2 emissions for non-AI datacenters peaks currently around 210 million tons, with AI datacenters peaking currently around 100 million tons.

So why is more pollution from subject A acceptable, but less from subject B isn't?
I've seen people say because A gives "something of worth", but then that just undermines the whole point of being harmful to the environment. Destruction of the environment is kinda an absolute in that instance, the source shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether or not we accept it.

The same for the water usage thing (which was debunked). AI datacenters use 68 billions gallons annually (at least by 2028 projected). People are upset about that, but not about the 26 trillion gallons that US agriculture uses. All because "something of worth", but if it's that big of a deal why are people focusing on less than 1% of the total consumption? How is that 1% needing protected but the remaining 99% totally disposable?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Epic Games CEO says it’s ‘really irresponsible’ of Steam to make studios disclose AI use | VGC⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I think it's more just Tim Sweeney trying to be a "billionaire influencer". He has a lot of money and yes men surrounding him, so he believes everything he thinks must by that fact be the correct take.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Stop Killing Games Pivots To Amending Digital Fairness Act In EU After Loss⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
No it was not, as laid out by SKG's own goals from their website (which is now restricted - including past legislative attempts) and by Article 225 whereby they are asking an EU commission to submit a legislative proposal to the EU Parliament for enacting new laws.

This is literally the backup plan they are on now. Stop framing a loss as some sort of planned win. That's not what it is.
And regarding Past Results (https://www.stopkillinggames.com/en/past-results), this isn't the first time they've been here.
The EU has ruled multiple times that it is on the member nations to enact/amend these laws, this has all happened before with the same result.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Machine pricing announced (from $1049-$1428 USD), reservation lists open⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I'm curious what companies like EA are going to do if this continues. If your customers cannot obtain the hardware to run your games, what do you do? Start releasing pixel titles or just hope for a whale?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Is Ace Combat 8 (Deluxe) worth getting for ¥11,990?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Pre-ordering digitally available games only helps publishers with their financial forecasting. The best case pre-order scenario for a consumer is "early access" by a few days, but that isn't benefiting the user as they run without day-1 patches and the whole concept isn't meant to help pre-order players just penalize non-pre-order players.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I don't know what you are and don't care. Only you care about that. To be fair, you did call me "sweatie", so I think I can call you whatever I want given you initiated, sir.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Whatever you say, sir.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I'm not going to discount Murdock Family Trust just because it makes you feel bad.
As for exports, here you go.
Feel free to try and deny it, seems like something you're used to doing.

Murdoch’s media empire spans multiple countries, with strong conservative influence in:
United States:
Fox News, Fox Business, New York Post (via Fox Corporation)
United Kingdom:
The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times (via News UK)
Australia:
As listed above, through News Corp Australia

Across these regions, Murdoch’s companies control:
120+ newspapers across five countries
Multiple TV networks and digital platforms with conservative leanings

Murdoch’s outlets often dominate:
Australia: ~60–70% of newspaper circulation
UK: ~25% of print circulation and large digital reach
US: Fox News is the defacto and most-watched cable news channel in the country
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Australia has been definitively proven to be the biggest TERF exporter now and you can't even contest it.
You should do something about that, geez.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Oh, and the Murdoch Family Trust owns 40% of the Fox Corporation (which owns the US based Fox News).
So really your argument is the same that a heroin addict might have:
"If you discount my heroin addiction, I'm doing great!"
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I feel these companies stole my money by delisting game, and I'm sure others feel the same. Nobody is sure if the EU will get the law passed. So it got me thinking -- why not revive games together?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
So, these games failed because they did not have:
1. Funding/sustainability
2. Reaching critical number of players
3. Content creation/marketing
And you can bring them back if you can just get:
1. Funding/sustainability
2. Reaching critical number of players
3. Content creation/marketing
This feels like tautological reasoning. Like "X would be true, if X were true".
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Ok, so you are exporting garbage. Good to know.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Multiple times now you've accused people of being American for saying that Australia outputs some garbage right wing stuff. Aside from the vampire fuck Rupert Murdoch himself, here is a list:
1. Sky News Australia (especially through YT and social media)
2. GB News (based on Australian right-wing media)
3. News Corp Australia
4. The Daily Telegraph
5. The Australian
6. Andrew Hastie
7. 7News (this is arguably one of the worst as they sprinkle facts into their narrative to cloudy the waters)
8. Herald Sun
9. The Spectator Australia
10. Quadrant Magazine
All of these media sources and publications output to the rest of the world.
It doesn't matter about "well the UK has more. well the US has more".
Australia is exporting fucking garbage.
This isn't a race to bottom.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Is there a alternative platform to roblox for players and gamedevs?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Have you tried Luanti yet? It originally was called Minetest:
https://www.luanti.org/
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
So, I see the ad hominem attacks, but no actual argument of facts. Oh, and the "other points" you made earlier seem to be just you making up what the petition will do. Remember, you have 3 sentences to work from and things like releasing source code doesn't seem to be in those, does it? So, where did you get the source code mention you had? Is there a website with expanded bulletpoints I missed? No? Just something you felt should happen? You do that whole thinking with your feelings a lot, huh?

Well, ad hominem I'm afraid is where you lose the argument in totality.
Once you start down that path, nothing you say can be taken as a fact.
You argument with facts/logic, not with emotion.
Good luck with that petition.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Concise is synonymous with "to the point". In other words, you don't have to have lots of words, but they do have to be on target which your 3 sentences are not. So, no, it was correct word use on my part.
The fact that you can't argue the VGE's involvement or anything other than a word's definition really doesn't make you look like you have a strong case here lol.
Again, it seems like you have strong feelings, but that doesn't win court cases. Sorry, not sorry.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Have you not read the petition? I doubt it could be anymore concise in its language while still being possible to pass.
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Require video games sold to remain in a working state when support ends.
Require no connections to the publisher after support ends.
Not interfere with any business practices while a game is still being supported.
```
That's it... 3 sentences is not concise. You want to base multi-national law off of 3 sentences. Maybe you should think that through a bit more. If the time can't be spent to actualy write out constructive goals or at least milestones (which is supposed to help dictate multi-national law) then maybe it should wait shouldn't it until you can.

You're forgetting this is the EU, it's significantly less susceptible to industry lobbying than the US

The VGE (the lobbying group you're talking about) helped to write the consumer protection, digital content licensing, and age ratings for the EU.
They already helped create your laws so that's not really true is it.

There really is no solid argument against what I've said.
Sorry, it still stands.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What are the best free mmorpgs for a beginner?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
If you don't like the back and forth type stuff, you're probably looking for a theme-park style MMORPG. You might try something like Return to Reckoning.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Because as you already stated, that's all it says. There is a lot of open interpretation to what that means and not all of it refers to big publishers/devs like EA.

For example, indie games like Objects in Space. It was Early Access and ran into technical issues which led to funding issues as they could only work so long on it. Its broken essentially. But it doesn't matter if the project was beyond their scope of skill or they ran out of money, they would be forced to pay to fix it. This means (and for other indie devs) if not certain their project will succeed, having to block sales in EU. Its potentially the most damaging not to the Ubisoft's and EA's, but to the Flat Earth Games, Bugbytes, ColePowered Games, etc. Its asking new indie developers to take on optional risk by releasing in the EU. Remember no where in the petition does it mention live service games. Only just games.

Additionally, the points brought up in the petition needed to be bullet proof. The moment that petition started to get close to 1M, you know publishers started turning gears to block future legislation. The committee of petitions will verify the petition and then refer it for fact finding. The points needed to be concise for the purpose of the fact finding committee. And they needed to be geared towards the EU acting which around a dozen times now have stated that while concerns are valid, it is up to the member nations to propose legislation on this (which is who the major publishers are reported to have approached - not some EU committee).

I'm still salty about EA's Darkspore (which I might add doesn't mention on the case that internet access is required to play - which I did not have back in the day), but this petition just feels like minimal impact. I would just like to remind people that advocating SKG may feel good but that rarely equates to doing good.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I mean I was critical of it well before it hit 1.4M signatures. As it ramps up in articles about it, I'd assume an increase in negative sentiment in addition to the positive side. Its not a perfect thing and has different viewpoints, so it makes sense.