Mordikan

@Mordikan@kbin.earth

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm highlighting the fact that none of these other points are ever mentioned. Only the debunked one is mentioned. That's by definition is not whataboutism as I don't have to address the validity of an already debunked claim.

  FYI for you, if someone raises a point, that point gets debunked, and they keep raising it anyway as if it's still valid, then the other person pointing out "that specific claim was already debunked" is not committing whataboutism. That would be:

  Rejecting a straw man: refusing to re-litigate a claim that has already been shown to be false.

  Holding the line on established facts: insisting the conversation move past a disproven talking point.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Me: States facts based on USDA published data.
  Internet Nobody:

  I guess one way of winning a debate is to just bore everyone to death so bravo.

  Ad hominem means you have no actual point that can stand against what I said.
  So, yes, I did win lol.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  That would only be a straw man if that is an oversimplification of the issue (not sure how "drained half a lake" is not a distortion/oversimplification, but I'm guessing you read that with blinders on). My following comment in this thread clearly shows that is not the case, so I'll take what you say as ad hominem.

  If you really want to get into fallacies though, sure he's the others you committed:

  1. The phrase "the actual issue and reason a lake could just vanish" implies there is only one real issue and that I'm ignoring it. This frames the debate as a binary: either you care about vanishing lakes or you're making pathetic arguments. That's a false dilemma.

  2. Phrases like "a lake could just vanish" and "global warming isn't getting easier" are designed to evoke alarm and urgency without connecting them logically to the original point. That's appeal to emotion.

  3. Your comment pivots from the original topic (water usage comparisons) to a different issue: "permitting... which is the actual issue". That's a red herring.

  4. Motte and Bailey also as the whole "Well, they still use a lot and many are unpermitted" (that's a motte: a hard-to-dispute claim). Those shifts are used be people without a point to appear victorious without defending the original position.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  There's been lots of reports done on the subject. In the end, low estimates put it between 68-75 billion gallons annually, high estimates closer to 230 billion gallons. That seems like a lot, right? The USDA reports total agricultural usage at 26.4 trillion gallons. That means 0.88% of the water used for ag.

  This is where the the argument usually breaks down because someone will argue that:

  1. Water is a scarce resource
  2. US-Ag provides something of substance

  If it is a scarce resource, than why is only 0.88% of that resource important enough to save? That then transitions to providing something useful, but usefulness doesn't magically remove the scarcity that exists. Is destroying the resource for almonds really a valid reason?

  AI datacenter water consumption does have a footprint (especially when factoring in hydropower used not just cooling), but to say it's "draining lakes" or destroying the environment while ignoring everything else is just bad faith.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  These are slop, but it opens up to an interesting idea. Reverse engineering software isn't exactly an easy or quick process. AI could greatly accelerate that work. I'm not thinking for mashing two games for a quick video, but more like for Icewind Dale 2 rebuilds (the original source code is missing so no true enhanced editions exist). Or remastering old titles like Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magic Obscura or even older games like Menzoberranzan and Stone Prophet.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  The water usage thing was debunked and really needs to stop being used. It just invalidates the argument when used.

  Fun fact: The California almond industry uses more water than AI datacenters.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨AI Driving Game Players Are Burning Through So Many Tokens Its Developer Had to Take Out a Bank Loan to Keep It Running⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Another engineer I work with had a really well put description of proper AI implementation that really applies to this:

  "AI should help you build the automation, AI should not be the automation."

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why so many Steam games have weirdly similar (and forgettable) names⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Because now you can build it into a franchise. Intergalactic: <INSERT_TITLE>

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Is this meant as a rhetorical question or are you seriously asking?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After a year of struggling and losing my job to AI, my game finally made it to 4000 wishlists! This is how it feels:⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  And what did you actually do?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After a year of struggling and losing my job to AI, my game finally made it to 4000 wishlists! This is how it feels:⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  The fact that all of your posts have been involved in sleazy ad campaigns doesn't give any legitimacy to this one.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After a year of struggling and losing my job to AI, my game finally made it to 4000 wishlists! This is how it feels:⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah, I'm going to have some doubts about the "AI replaced me" part. My company works heavily with AI now and no one has lost their job. What their job was is EXTREMELY important here. Did they make birdhouses at a financial firm?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm not going to that site because I don't want malware.

  I'm guessing the titles include such classics as:

  1. Hitler Simulator 2026
  2. A border tower defense game that's just gunning down migrants
  3. A digital version of the game Operation, only it's all children, and they're just asleep, and you aren't a doctor.
• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Upcoming Changes to XBOX Cloud Gaming [time limits]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I don't see how game streaming at least in the US market would ever work without higher performance infrastructure anyway. Functionally, it's not a matter of bandwidth but latency. Xbox servers are centralized regionally, so even with latency within WebRTC range (like sub-20ms), cross-country traversal can add up to 30ms which makes games feel awful in terms of control.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Sony Implements New Customer Harassment Policy Following Backlash Toward Its Plans to Stop Making Physical Game Discs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  That's wild. So basically a user asking for compensation is treated as the same threat level as that user walking into their offices armed.
  That "considered reasonable according to social norms" is REALLY open ended, too. That sounds a lot like social norm they've been trying to push for "you won't own anything and you'll like it".

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨"Hopefully a meteor will strike the earth soon": Game devs talk genAI witchhunts and the importance of honing your visual literacy⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  It has gotten to the point where devs are just being asked to disprove a negative, though.

  "Ok, well you didn't use AI in what you showed but you used it somewhere else."
  Short of devs wearing body cams to try and prove literally every step in every process, people are going to have to have some faith that developers aren't using it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨A touch of AI is all it takes to trigger backlash, as a promising new indie falls afoul of slop skeptics⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  There is a game that is upcoming that I was interested in that clearly used generative AI in a gameplay trailer. I should say I'm not pro/anti generative AI. I'm right down the middle, I see the issues and the potential, so the presence of AI itself for me isn't a deal killer (Crimson Desert for example).

  But, the issue is that this game falsely represented what is going to be in the game. The lighting isn't planned to be that good. The model rigging isn't meant to be that fluid. Etc, etc. The problem is a matter of dishonesty.

  If a developer uses generative AI for test assets and placeholders, I don't see that as an issue (especially if they admit to and own that fact). If they use that for material for trailers to showcase their work when that will not be part of the work, then that is a different story as that introduces that dishonesty.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm just going to end this here with a final comment:

  I know I'm not going to change your mind on this. It doesn't matter what evidence I provide, you just aren't ready to have that conversation. And that's ok.

  This has never really been about you. It's been about all the others. It's about showing how while there is a lot of AI hype, there is an equal amount of anti-AI hype. Misinformation is misinformation. Doesn't matter your stance.

  We have for 4 years now both simultaneously and perpetually been 3 months away from the AI bubble popping and 3 months away from AI stealing everyone's job.

  So, for those that see this insane comment history, understand as well intentioned as some of these posters are, most everything they say is completely fabricated. They are just passing it along without knowing any better.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm just going to end this here with a final comment:

  I know I'm not going to change your mind on this. It doesn't matter what evidence I provide, you just aren't ready to have that conversation. And that's ok.

  This has never really been about you. It's been about all the others. It's about showing how while there is a lot of AI hype, there is an equal amount of anti-AI hype. Misinformation is misinformation. Doesn't matter your stance.

  We have for 4 years now both simultaneously and perpetually been 3 months away from the AI bubble popping and 3 months away from AI stealing everyone's job.

  So, for those that see this insane comment history, understand as well intentioned as some of these posters are, most everything they say is completely fabricated. They are just passing it along without knowing any better.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Ok, so despite everything you said, it is NOT the environmental impact that matters. What matters (at least now) is the number of services it provides. I hate to say it but "You're just choosing to cherry pick one thing that everyone who's upset should ignore."

  This is gonna sound like a broken record here but... https://kbin.earth/m/gaming@beehaw.org/t/3103626/ChatGPT-LLMs-and-Automating-the-Fun-Out-of-Roleplaying-Don-t/comment/14132956#entry-comment-14132956

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm curious though, what would I have to be doing for you to believe that I'm... I dont know, "allowed"? to talk about AI's water usage impact?

  I would say you are starting to approach an opposing view as treating yours as "wrong thought" when confronted. That is an absolutest method that is only ever used to justify what you think is right and vilify all else. It isn't a matter of what is "allowed". There is no restriction to that. But if you put out an idea or belief that can be deconstructed and proven incorrect/incomplete, then people have the right to speak against it.

  There are lots of points you can make that are completely valid and evidentiary by nature, but AI water usage isn't one of them. It has been debunked to point that I would bucket it into the same group that "vaccines cause autism" fit into.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Can run on a raspberry pi and does run on a raspberry pi are two different things. I don't think raspberry pis are the solution here. I'm not cherry picking either as both are clear evils. That is the point. Current non-AI datacenters are using more power in total than AI datacenters. That may (and likely will) change, but the argument that AI datacenters are destroying the environment when the other is destroying it even more (but let's ignore that one) is moronic by nature.

  That by definition isn't cherry picking. It's pointing out the logical fallacy in popular thought.

  I work in devops. There is little difference in current overall consumption rates.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  That is a valid point, I think. That isn't "but what about the environment" but only when convenient. That is local pricing issue which has a very direct and very trackable impact.

  If a datacenter opens next door to you, the utility consumption goes up meaning your bill goes up. Unless the datacenter operators are somehow offsetting that increase financially (and that the money is actually be allocated by the city for that purpose), then there is the real impact of datacenters.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  AI datacenters do not cause drought. There is no evidence to support that claim. And if you think you do have evidence, I would love to see the source.

  And you totally can contain multitudes. People should be like that. But they in practice aren't. They follow what is trending. For example, if you look through your comment history how many comments will be pertaining to the US meat industry? How many to datacenters?

  I would argue that you care a great deal more about one than the other. Which, going back to my original point, why is that 1% more important than the remaining 99% (or specifically the 50% that you care so much about)?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  "they're doing bad so I can too"

  I don't think you understand that the "so I can" part implies you. By virtue of even posting, YOU are pushing datacenter demand. These comments don't just live in the ether. The whole point is you are cherry picking what you are upset about based on what is trending (as you even mentioned). The point being you are MORE upset about the lesser evil, not that one is justified evil and the other isn't.

  If you enjoy the Two Wrongs Make Right fallacy, then I think you'll love the Special Pleading fallacy.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨ChatGPT, LLMs, and Automating the Fun Out of Roleplaying: Don’t let billionaires poison the beautiful creative collaboration at the heart of TTRPGs⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I find the environmental argument is always a weak one to make, though. CO2 emissions for non-AI datacenters peaks currently around 210 million tons, with AI datacenters peaking currently around 100 million tons.

  So why is more pollution from subject A acceptable, but less from subject B isn't?
  I've seen people say because A gives "something of worth", but then that just undermines the whole point of being harmful to the environment. Destruction of the environment is kinda an absolute in that instance, the source shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether or not we accept it.

  The same for the water usage thing (which was debunked). AI datacenters use 68 billions gallons annually (at least by 2028 projected). People are upset about that, but not about the 26 trillion gallons that US agriculture uses. All because "something of worth", but if it's that big of a deal why are people focusing on less than 1% of the total consumption? How is that 1% needing protected but the remaining 99% totally disposable?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Epic Games CEO says it’s ‘really irresponsible’ of Steam to make studios disclose AI use | VGC⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  I think it's more just Tim Sweeney trying to be a "billionaire influencer". He has a lot of money and yes men surrounding him, so he believes everything he thinks must by that fact be the correct take.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Stop Killing Games Pivots To Amending Digital Fairness Act In EU After Loss⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  No it was not, as laid out by SKG's own goals from their website (which is now restricted - including past legislative attempts) and by Article 225 whereby they are asking an EU commission to submit a legislative proposal to the EU Parliament for enacting new laws.

  This is literally the backup plan they are on now. Stop framing a loss as some sort of planned win. That's not what it is.
  And regarding Past Results (https://www.stopkillinggames.com/en/past-results), this isn't the first time they've been here.
  The EU has ruled multiple times that it is on the member nations to enact/amend these laws, this has all happened before with the same result.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Machine pricing announced (from $1049-$1428 USD), reservation lists open⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  I'm curious what companies like EA are going to do if this continues. If your customers cannot obtain the hardware to run your games, what do you do? Start releasing pixel titles or just hope for a whale?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Is Ace Combat 8 (Deluxe) worth getting for ¥11,990?⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Pre-ordering digitally available games only helps publishers with their financial forecasting. The best case pre-order scenario for a consumer is "early access" by a few days, but that isn't benefiting the user as they run without day-1 patches and the whole concept isn't meant to help pre-order players just penalize non-pre-order players.