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You pushed the inexplicable, the black box, into a system. Deities/the unknown forces come in all kinds of shapes and formats, not only judeochristian / abrahamic. Maybe it’s not a deity, but it’s where the magic we can’t explain happens. We need axioms for anything, dude. I’m not anti-science, I just think all belief and knowledge is necessarily based in things that cannot be proven… and that’s ok.

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the_q@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Fair enough.

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crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
We don’t need axioms for empiricism. That’s the entire point. We ask reality questions and infer limited and verifiable knowledge from the results, without ever stating that anything has been proven.

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- Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You actually need axioms for everything except direct experience devoid of interpretation.
  
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  - crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That is why empiricism relies on sensory information.
    So you don’t need axioms for empiricism, just to be clear. Your saying “actually” could make it look like you’re disagreeing, when you’re actually not.
    
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